Wisconsin Union Law Upheld

WildCat said:
You're misunderstanding. They're not protesting working conditions, just the fact that the company isn't using union workers. The union picketing (or paying the picketers anyway) doesn't have any members at all working in the company they're picketing.

It's like when unions picket WalMart, none of the unions actually have members who work at WalMart. They're protesting the fact that WalMart isn't unionized.
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Actually, in that Daily Show clip I linked to, they were protesting working conditions. Some choice quotes from the clip:

Mike Gittings (UFCW local 711) "At Walmart, many employees, even long-term employees, make barely more than minimum wage. And if an employee without a union contract gets their hours cut, then you don't have a lot of recourse. It comes down to greed."


Aasif Mandvi (Daily Show): "You've got guys down there [picketing] that are not in the union. Did you know this?"
Mike Gittings: "I'm trying to figure out how to answer your question."
Aasif Mandvi: "This is not one of the questions where I nail you. This is an easy one."


Mike Gittings: "It [the picketing] is Walmart's fault. The example they're setting is for low wages, for lack of health benefits, and a lot of companies have tried to imitate Walmart's practices."
Aasif Mandvi: "Was one of those companies the UFCW?"
Mike Gittings: "Uh... [nods]"
Aasif Mandvi: "That's the one where I nail you."
 
WildCat said:
You're misunderstanding. They're not protesting working conditions, just the fact that the company isn't using union workers. The union picketing (or paying the picketers anyway) doesn't have any members at all working in the company they're picketing.

It's like when unions picket WalMart, none of the unions actually have members who work at WalMart. They're protesting the fact that WalMart isn't unionized.
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Oh, one of those picket lines. Don't get me started on those. I don't recall which Casino it was but several years back, when I still lived in LV, the culinary union (which is huge in LV and covers most casino staff, not just food service ones) picketed one of the first casinos to open after 9/11 because it was non-union. Bear in mind, with the reduced travel from 9/11 LV was hurting and several casinos closed and there were massive lay-offs. They were not paying any less than union casinos, or offering lower benefits, they just were not a union shop. 1st place to actually offer jobs to workers who desperately needed them, and the union pickets them. Pro-labor may ass!

Its BS like this that the unions do, that makes me comfortable calling myself liberal and pro-labor without being pro-union. As I said the ability to unionize is critical to keep the corporations in check. In practice the unions are just a different bunch of greedy thugs
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cwalner said:
RANT! Oh, one of those picket lines. Don't get me started on those. I don't recall which Casino it was but several years back, when I still lived in LV, the culinary union (which is huge in LV and covers most casino staff, not just food service ones) picketed one of the first casinos to open after 9/11 because it was non-union. Bear in mind, with the reduced travel from 9/11 LV was hurting and several casinos closed and there were massive lay-offs. They were not paying any less than union casinos, or offering lower benefits, they just were not a union shop. 1st place to actually offer jobs to workers who desperately needed them, and the union pickets them. Pro-labor may ass!

Its BS like this that the unions do, that makes me comfortable calling myself liberal and pro-labor without being pro-union. As I said the ability to unionize is critical to keep the corporations in check. In practice the unions are just a different bunch of greedy thugs
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ftfy, if you're going to use the "rant" tag use it right dammit! :p
 
WildCat said:
ftfy, if you're going to use the "rant" tag use it right dammit! :p
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Yeah, I suppose. I only put the closing in because I did not know I was going to go into a full rant. Once I had my say, and a reread what I had typed, I figured it out, so closed it off with the /rant, but forgot to open it up with one.
 
I finally ended my union prez term (Thank GOD!!!!!!)

I would NEVER have outsourced picketing.
 
Malerin said:
I finally ended my union prez term (Thank GOD!!!!!!)

I would NEVER have outsourced picketing.
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I am guessing that you probably headed a fairly small union then. It just seems to me that as unions get bigger, they become indistinguishable from the corporations they oppose.
 
cwalner said:
I am guessing that you probably headed a fairly small union then. It just seems to me that as unions get bigger, they become indistinguishable from the corporations they oppose.
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Yeah, about 110 teachers.

Interesting sidenote: my sister is a part-time poly-sci professor, and full time California state worker (with all the outrageous benefits). She invited me to give a talk to her students about unions. I started off by drawing a picture of a little worker and a giant boss and explaining that unions are an attempt to put workers on equal footing with management. Then I drew a giant state worker and a tiny voter. They laughed. My sister wasn't too happy.
 
BenBurch said:
Good on you.

I have taken donuts to pickets near here, and they were all Union members, except once when it was a Union member and his two teenage daughters (they couldn't find a summer job, but picket like pay helped.)
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Yeah, we did that when the Albertsons workers were picketting.
 
Malerin said:
Yeah, we did that when the Albertsons workers were picketting.
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That can't be right. Albertson's had that campaign about employee empowerment. The slogan was 'Its Joe Albertson's supermarket, but the x department is mine' IIRC. The employees seemed so happy and privileged to work for such an employer. Surely they would not have made such an unfounded claim in their ads?
 
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