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!@#$% Windows 10!

Sunstealer said:
Good luck with that. As far as I'm aware Win 10 Home does not allow you to stop automatic updates. I believe you can defer them, but not stop them.

It's one of the reasons why many of us are sticking with Win 7 come what may*. It's come to the point where most people are actually better off with an "un-genuine" copy of Windows 7 than 10.

* Gaming is the only issue for me. If Vulcan can become as widely used as DirectX 12 then I'll switch to Linux in a heartbeat.
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You have to disable the update service. I had it turned off for several months, but then I let my guard down.
 
elgarak said:
Windows 10 is not free. Microsoft hasn't charged yet if you already ran certain older versions of Windows, but they do now. Windows 10 Home costs $120. The Pro Edition sets you back $200. (€135 Home, €279 Pro here in Germany.) [Prices from the US and German online Microsoft stores.]

As far as I know, the update and privacy behavior will stay the same even if you buy.
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Yes, I'm fully aware of that; hence my use of quotes around 'free'.



marplots said:
I run Windows. I don't own it. At one time I bought a license to use it, but now I don't pay.

I don't understand the program. I can't modify it. I depend on it; if it crashes, it precipitates a real crisis. I have a great deal of my life catalogued and journaled and stored in a machine running software that is outside my control, subject to the whims of another.

I run Windows. I don't own it. Windows owns me.
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If it's that vital to you then learn stuff. Take back control. Many find it easier to take that control and switch to Linux but it's certainly not necessary in order to regain *your* computer.
 
The Norseman said:
If it's that vital to you then learn stuff. Take back control. Many find it easier to take that control and switch to Linux but it's certainly not necessary in order to regain *your* computer.
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I have another plan. Since I've invested years in learning other stuff, I can sell services based on what I've already learned. I can then take that money and purchase a product which meets my needs and expectations.

If there were such a product available.
 
marplots said:
I have another plan. Since I've invested years in learning other stuff, I can sell services based on what I've already learned. I can then take that money and purchase a product which meets my needs and expectations.

If there were such a product available.
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There are such products (and I guess I'll qualify that and say "depending on what precisely your needs and expectations are").
 
Sunstealer said:
Good luck with that. As far as I'm aware Win 10 Home does not allow you to stop automatic updates. I believe you can defer them, but not stop them.

It's one of the reasons why many of us are sticking with Win 7 come what may*. It's come to the point where most people are actually better off with an "un-genuine" copy of Windows 7 than 10.

* Gaming is the only issue for me. If Vulcan can become as widely used as DirectX 12 then I'll switch to Linux in a heartbeat.
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The fastest way to make this happen is to show companies that people are buying Linux software. If game companies see userbase numbers shifting to Linux, then Linux builds will be a priority, rather than an afterthought. Platforms like Steam have a wide variety of Linux games available, and allow you to buy the game once, and play it on Linux, WinX and/or MacOS, without needing to buy multiple licenses for each OS. The longer you cling to an OS you don't like, the longer it will take for companies to see any userbase shift.
 
I recovered a working version of Win 10. It was getting ready to install yet another spawn from hell update. I went into the task manager, and stopped the Windows Update service (you have to dig around a bit), and rebooted.

In the future, I will keep an old WIN 10 machine available for WIN 10 updates. I'll test every WIN 10 update on this machine until MS can be trusted.
 
abaddon said:
Taking a helicopter view, I can understand the push to standardise on a single version, but the real world gets in the way.

I had a client (a digital print guy, serious volume). He had his RIP running on a WinXP box. Well, it fell over stone dead, nothing for it but a replacement machine. Problem: The RIP server software is only compatible up to Win7.

Got a new box but it was two solid days of effort to prevent the Win10 invasion.

It's the total **** you attitude from M$ that annoys. Peoples manufacturing machinery depends on the older stuff continuing to work.

Another client has a robotic CD/DVD manufacture and print device. That software will not run on anything beyond WinXPSP3. Easier to manage, since XP does not get sucked up into the automatic Win10 malarkey, but more difficult as XP is unsupported.
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Why isn't it the supplier of the original software that rises your ire?
 
Im glad I didnt downgrade to 10. I will have to look at learning about linux.

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Hungry81 said:
Im glad I didnt downgrade to 10. I will have to look at learning about linux.

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Yes, do! There are some supreme Linux jerks out there, but please don't let that impede your search for help or information.

This day and age, you seriously cannot do better at "plug it in and it just works" than let's say Linux Mint. Games and a handful of proprietary software programs are the only thing that keeps people from switching from the Microsoft monopoly; even then, at least with games, it's getting better every day (most especially with Steam).
 
Darat said:
Why isn't it the supplier of the original software that rises your ire?
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Very good point! It's easy (for me at least) to hate on MS Windows, but it's completely the responsibility of the individual software companies to keep current with the operating systems that are commonly in use.
 
John Jones said:
That automatic update function you can't opt out of on Win 10 Home finally bit me. The latest update hosed my file and database 'server' on my home network. Now it locks up and makes a KLAXON howl whenever I turn it on. I've got back-ups of my files that are a couple of days old, but I've lost all my apps and will have to reinstall and reconfigure everything.

If I ever get it running again, I'm disabling that goddamn auto update service.
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Hi,
You may find this useful.
:)
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/never_10.html
 
A recent Windows update was "kind" enough to uninstall the Windows Shell software. At least it told me when it did it rather than make me wonder why the look and feel had suddenly changed.

Eclectic Skeptic's machine kept hanging on the recent large update. Took multiple tries. Since the latest update, her machine keeps getting infected with a a Chrome browser hijacker. Could be a timing coincidence with compromise of some ad server on a site she frequents.

I thought I was having a huge network issue and was ready to go off at my ISP. It was the stupid Windows update setting using a chunk of my bandwidth at all times to check for other machines as update providers. Turned it off and got a huge performance increase.

Why don't I go to Linux? Inertia/productivity. I have some things I get to take for granted. If MS keeps making some things harder or costing me lots of downtime, the cost of moving will become acceptable.

CT
 
I've used nothing but Linux (Ubuntu) since 2000. There are updates in Linux land too. Daily, weekly. Depending on settings. They can be quite big too.

If you go with a distribution like Ubuntu (more user-friendly) then you get the downside of a lot of "rolled-in" software that then gets updated, even if you never use it.

I don't know how bad Win 10 is, or why, but updates are a fact of software life on any OS.

All said, close the windows and free the penguin! (Okay, that sounds wrong...)
 
I just had an "update" last night... while I was still using the computer. The only options were to wait for the scheduled time or to start it immediately (something like 10-20 minutes ahead of schedule); there was no option to delay it until I was done actually using the thing.

And when it was done, I found out what the update had done: cram a bunch of crud into the Start Menu that gets in the way and serves no purpose and can't be gotten rid of, and take away the ability to get around in the Start Menu with the keyboard arrow buttons. Yay.
 
There are quite a number of people who refer to Windows 10 as a botnet...
 
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