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quadraginta said:
I bought my first PC a couple of years before that. "App" was common parlance when I did, and before.
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Huh. I only noticed it after the iPhone/iPad started.

Then again, I spent most of my early time not in a English speaking country.
 
"Back in 1999, when Sun's CEO Scott McNealy famously declared "You have zero privacy anyway, get over it," he could be forgiven for living in an innocent era when the harm that might flow from that situation seemed circumscribed. Today, in the post-Snowden world, putting "zero privacy" at the heart of your latest product in the way that Microsoft seems to have done with Windows 10, is not just foolish and anachronistic, but downright contemptuous of users and their safety."

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...s-special-scott-mcnealy-edition-windows.shtml
 
Joe Random said:
True, there could be an option somewhere deep in the registry where the default is 'let MS record your keystrokes so we can log into your online banking profile and make sure you're spending your money wisely' and I've not found it yet. Or there could be something in the EULA akin to South Park's take on the iTunes EULA, and I'm a week or two away from being part of a human centipede.

My point being that all of the options getting so much media attention and panic were right out in plain sight, and easy to change. What's being reported aren't obscure and buried options stuck in someplace no one would ever think to look (covered by a "beware of the leopard" sign) ; they're a couple of clicks away for any who take half a moment.
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elgarak said:
Microsoft did hide some things in Windows (in a way I find wrong) in the past.

My comment (and I suspect Joe Random's post) were referring only to the latest "scandal" regarding the new privacy settings in Windows 10.
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I agree with both of you with one caveat. The user agreement doesn't specify (or does it?) that we will be able to disable the features we agreed to. I'm honestly not going conspiracy theory here, but I'm shy about legal documents that permit more than I like, especially when the thing I think I can prevent (and for which I've given Microsoft permission to do) may make some money for Microsoft.

As to the scandal aspect, that's par for the course, and I've found one weird trick a lady in Newark uses... :D
 
marplots said:
I agree with both of you with one caveat. The user agreement doesn't specify (or does it?) that we will be able to disable the features we agreed to. I'm honestly not going conspiracy theory here, but I'm shy about legal documents that permit more than I like, especially when the thing I think I can prevent (and for which I've given Microsoft permission to do) may make some money for Microsoft.

As to the scandal aspect, that's par for the course, and I've found one weird trick a lady in Newark uses... :D
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I am only addressing the reporting that the privacy settings are hard-to-find/hidden, which is not what I experienced.

I also wanted to point out that not one of the FUDdy articles mentions that Windows actually asks those settings during installation, and does not merely discloses them in a large legalese document that no one reads.

That does not mean that I trust Microsoft blindly (I trust them less than Apple, who I don't trust blindly either, and more than Google) as far as my privacy is concerned.
 
quadraginta said:
I'm not sure how it could reasonably be expected to be a lot less hidden.
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Well, I said "kind of hidden," not "well hidden." So, it could be less hidden. It could be displayed when you click "Start" - as it is in Windows 7.

Anyway, I apologize for the use of a little hyperbole. In reality, I had little trouble finding the shortcut to "Device and Printers." But, I would have preferred that it appear in the Start Menu over the distracting, and not-very-useful, animated tiles.

-- Roger
 
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elgarak said:
The article gets its facts wrong. The "Personalization" tab refers to the look and feel, as before. There's a separate "Privacy and Security" tab. Not particularly hidden, and pretty thorough.
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Because when you're biased against Windows like they clearly are you don't need to worry about facts. They won't matter anyway.
 
Z said:
No Win 10 for me, apparently - my ATI Radeon X1200 made sure of that.
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I had to reinstall video drivers on two computers I upgraded, you may have to do the same here... However, with ATI Radeon, I had one laptop from 2009 that had a heck of a time upgrading to windows 8.1 since the driver had to be installed manually. You might could get it to work, but you'll have to look around and see if the problem I had is similar to yours

eerok said:
"Back in 1999, when Sun's CEO Scott McNealy famously declared "You have zero privacy anyway, get over it," he could be forgiven for living in an innocent era when the harm that might flow from that situation seemed circumscribed. Today, in the post-Snowden world, putting "zero privacy" at the heart of your latest product in the way that Microsoft seems to have done with Windows 10, is not just foolish and anachronistic, but downright contemptuous of users and their safety."

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...s-special-scott-mcnealy-edition-windows.shtml
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The article doesn't mention that a lot of those privacy busters can be disabled. It's true the M$ makes things more inconvenient for apps and the like when you don't connect an account, but in doing the offline setup I found it to be minor work. The moral of the story is if you don't want M$ perving through your stuff too easily, then pay attention to the install options during setup and disable the services you don't like. The only part that I agree with the article's position is on windows updates... and THAT is an inconvenient thing, not to be able to defer them on home editions
 
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quadraginta said:
Aside from the fact that there is a distinct lack of porn images on my computer, it still didn't default to a slideshow on either of the two I've upgraded so far. Just put back up the same screensaver that was there before.
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When I click on the start button, the tile for the Photos folder automatically started a slideshow of the images in my folder.

Steve S
 
Grizzly Bear said:
The article doesn't mention that a lot of those privacy busters can be disabled. It's true the M$ makes things more inconvenient for apps and the like when you don't connect an account, but in doing the offline setup I found it to be minor work. The moral of the story is if you don't want M$ perving through your stuff too easily, then pay attention to the install options during setup and disable the services you don't like. The only part that I agree with the article's position is on windows updates... and THAT is an inconvenient thing, not to be able to defer them on home editions
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You're okay with MS leeching your bandwidth to serve updates to random PCs on the net? (In my country, bandwidth is pretty much always metered, so this is not okay with us.) You're okay with MS monetizing your data for targeted advertising? You're okay with the fact that everything of yours that you allow to land on their servers basically belongs to them? (And they want all your information and data on their servers.)

It's all about comfort level, I suppose. In the past MS has overreached and then backed off when it hit the fan. We'll see what happens this time.

My main concern is for the poor rubes who have no clue that the "Express Install" that they will almost certainly use will hand over everything plus their panties to MS.
 
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I have always thought that programs were on my computer and apps were on my phone. I suppose with the advent of things that are halfway between a computer and a phone that line got blurred, and now all the things that used to be called programs on my computer are now called apps. I'm sure there's a good reason for this but nobody so far has managed to point one out.
 
eerok said:
You're okay with MS leeching your bandwidth to serve updates to random PCs on the net?
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Probably why Microsoft asks you about it...

eerok said:
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You're okay with MS monetizing your data for targeted advertising?
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Probably why Microsoft asks you about it...

eerok said:
You're okay with the fact that everything of yours that you allow to land on their servers basically belongs to them? ...snip...
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"basically" in this sense meaning "doesn't"....

eerok said:
(And they want all your information and data on their servers.)
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Probably why Microsoft asks you about it...

eerok said:
It's all about comfort level, I suppose. ...snip...
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And are you aware that different people will have different values for their "comfort" levels?

eerok said:
My main concern is for the poor rubes who have no clue that the "Express Install" that they will almost certainly use will hand over everything plus their panties to MS.
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See above. Plus are you really saying people can't read a one page, very, very clear explanation of what Express settings will set up?

In the end Microsoft has only what I want them to have, no more no less and I can do that via the features MS has built into Windows 10 on the PC.
 

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Matthew Best said:
I have always thought that programs were on my computer and apps were on my phone. I suppose with the advent of things that are halfway between a computer and a phone that line got blurred, and now all the things that used to be called programs on my computer are now called apps. I'm sure there's a good reason for this but nobody so far has managed to point one out.
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Language evolves, as you get older you'll see this happens a lot.
 
Matthew Best said:
I have always thought that programs were on my computer and apps were on my phone. I suppose with the advent of things that are halfway between a computer and a phone that line got blurred, and now all the things that used to be called programs on my computer are now called apps. I'm sure there's a good reason for this but nobody so far has managed to point one out.
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Applications are a subset of programs which is a subset of software.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program for details.
 
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