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William Rodriguez journeys

I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can't even say a word.
The irony hurts.

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Just for the record, Mr Rodriguez got at least half an hour on a national radio station, BBC Radio 5 Live. This hardly squares with his claim of being censored. He mainly talked about his experience on 9/11, after which he took some phone calls from the public. These calls were largely from woo merchants, with whom Mr Rodriguez agreed that a new investigation of 9/11 is required.
 
Mr. Rodriguez,

I posted this notion before, but perhaps too subtly. I regret having to be more forward.

I too have been closely associated with Mr. Randi for a number of years now, and you may call him if you wish to check on his view of my character.

There were many in those buildings that day. You did a good thing, clearly. I too was in one of those buildings. My story unfolded in Virginia, as another aircraft arrived at the Pentagon.

For God's sake, Mr. Rodriguez, stop. Simply stated, a gentleman does NOT discuss these things, does not brag, does not attempt to draw attention to his own actions. In my own case, my small service is overwhelmed by my guilt and regret about not being able to do more. I have now, nearly 6 years later, only told my significant other most of what I saw and did that day, but not all, and I told her one time. I have told no others; not my children, not my coworkers, no one. I think you should feel ashamed to keep rehashing, re-bragging. We survivors should not be praised, in my view.

My judgment is that people who insist on talking about such things are both horribly forward and perhaps too quick to claim credit. While the overall story of 9/11 should be told, once your actions are on the record, you should not be retelling your braggadocio. Those that remained behind us in those buildings can not tell their stories, we should not engage in arrogant pretension about ours. Please hush up, please attempt to regain a bit of dignity.
 
Hal Bidlack said:
Mr. Rodriguez,

I posted this notion before, but perhaps too subtly. I regret having to be more forward.

I too have been closely associated with Mr. Randi for a number of years now, and you may call him if you wish to check on his view of my character.

There were many in those buildings that day. You did a good thing, clearly. I too was in one of those buildings. My story unfolded in Virginia, as another aircraft arrived at the Pentagon.

For God's sake, Mr. Rodriguez, stop. Simply stated, a gentleman does NOT discuss these things, does not brag, does not attempt to draw attention to his own actions. In my own case, my small service is overwhelmed by my guilt and regret about not being able to do more. I have now, nearly 6 years later, only told my significant other most of what I saw and did that day, but not all, and I told her one time. I have told no others; not my children, not my coworkers, no one. I think you should feel ashamed to keep rehashing, re-bragging. We survivors should not be praised, in my view.

My judgment is that people who insist on talking about such things are both horribly forward and perhaps too quick to claim credit. While the overall story of 9/11 should be told, once your actions are on the record, you should not be retelling your braggadocio. Those that remained behind us in those buildings can not tell their stories, we should not engage in arrogant pretension about ours. Please hush up, please attempt to regain a bit of dignity.
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I agree very much with Mr. Bidlack. I was born in New York City, and lived in the greater New York area. I saw the towers be attacked and fall on television, and I saw the aftermath within weeks afterward, only shortly after lower Manhattan became open at all to others. I did not go to gawk, but to see the places I had been so many times and which were so different for myself. My father had worked in tower two in the early 1990's and I have fond memories of the buildings.

Every time I see the towers on TV, I change the channel. I generally don't spend a real lot of time in that part of Manhattan. I can face the memories, but I choose not to, because they are very upsetting to me and make me angry, sad, empty and many other things.

Given that I was not there, and that I did not know (very well) anyone who lost their life in the incident, and that I was never in danger, I can only imagine what it must have been like for those who saw it not through a cathode ray tube but in person. My own trauma on that day most certainly pales in comparison. And I know many, if not most Americans look back with feelings of horror and pain.

It is further complicated by how the current political situation is embroiled with that day's events.

I would say to those who want to somehow further themselves by this event that while I support their right to freedom of speech, at least for me, you will not be gaining anything, as I would rather simply walk away from such things. I think many feel the same.

I would also say to the conspiracy theorists and the debunkers.. Please just leave this one alone. If there was a conspiracy then certainly it would be important to know, but the evidence of one is non-existent. Please if you must play "Amateur Sleuth" can you pick on Pearl Harbor or Roswell even the JFK assassination.... at least something a little less personal and fresh in all our minds. Unless you find something like a picture of special forces carrying TNT into the buildings, I think you'd better just lay off the websites and stuff.

And eyewitness testimony about the horrors of that day may be worth preserving for posterity. My advice would be to write it in a journal or record a narration and place it in a safety deposit box or a desk drawer, and leave it there. Posterity will be able to listen when they want to.
 
hey totovader, thewholesoul here

so maybe we could start off where we finished? morellini's testimony gives an account of two events (1) when he was walking he was thrown to the ground from the impact of the first event which he believed was in the loading dock. (2) when he was later running he experienced the second event which he assumed could have been the freight car when it collapsed.

now your initial explanation was that (1) was the plane impact + (2) was the evelvator.

you retracted this position when i pointed out the peculiarity of a plane impact 90+ floors above him causing him to be thrown to the ground. further more we know that people closer to the impact did not fall to the ground from the plane impact e.g. rodriguez and anthony which further decreased the plausibility of event (1) being the impact of a plane.

your next explanation was that (1) was the elevator and (2) was the "sound of the plane" impact.

but this explanation is clearly inconsistent with morellinis testimony since he seems to suggest that the second event (2), not the first, was the elevator crashing to the ground floor. besides would an elevator crashing to the basement floor cause a person to be thrown to the ground? perhaps? i would be sceptical.

but if event (1) was the elevator and event (2) was the "sound" of the plane impact travelling down the building. would the "sound" of the plane impact follow the elevator impact? the speed of sound is 340m/s, the plane impacted on the 93th floor which is roughly 355m above ground. so it would not take ANY longer than two seconds to reach the basement. the elevator fell because a fireball of jet fuel jetting down the elevator. so the fireball and the "sound of the plane impact" started the same time. but if the elevator fell at the speed of sound it and its occupants would surely have been crushed on impact. because the operator of the elevator survived we must reject this explanation. so the second event (2) could not have been the "sound" of the plane imapct.

so as a defender of the official story what is your explanation in relation to the testimony of morellini?
 
Hal Bidlack said:
Mr. Rodriguez,

I posted this notion before, but perhaps too subtly. I regret having to be more forward.

I too have been closely associated with Mr. Randi for a number of years now, and you may call him if you wish to check on his view of my character.

There were many in those buildings that day. You did a good thing, clearly. I too was in one of those buildings. My story unfolded in Virginia, as another aircraft arrived at the Pentagon.

For God's sake, Mr. Rodriguez, stop. Simply stated, a gentleman does NOT discuss these things, does not brag, does not attempt to draw attention to his own actions. In my own case, my small service is overwhelmed by my guilt and regret about not being able to do more. I have now, nearly 6 years later, only told my significant other most of what I saw and did that day, but not all, and I told her one time. I have told no others; not my children, not my coworkers, no one. I think you should feel ashamed to keep rehashing, re-bragging. We survivors should not be praised, in my view.

My judgment is that people who insist on talking about such things are both horribly forward and perhaps too quick to claim credit. While the overall story of 9/11 should be told, once your actions are on the record, you should not be retelling your braggadocio. Those that remained behind us in those buildings can not tell their stories, we should not engage in arrogant pretension about ours. Please hush up, please attempt to regain a bit of dignity.
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Colonel Bidlack rarely speaks in this den of iniquity, but when he does, mountains tremble.
 
thewholesoul said:
hey totovader, thewholesoul here

so maybe we could start off where we finished? morellini's testimony gives an account of two events (1) when he was walking he was thrown to the ground from the impact of the first event which he believed was in the loading dock. (2) when he was later running he experienced the second event which he assumed could have been the freight car when it collapsed.

now your initial explanation was that (1) was the plane impact + (2) was the evelvator.

you retracted this position when i pointed out the peculiarity of a plane impact 90+ floors above him causing him to be thrown to the ground. further more we know that people closer to the impact did not fall to the ground from the plane impact e.g. rodriguez and anthony which further decreased the plausibility of event (1) being the impact of a plane.

your next explanation was that (1) was the elevator and (2) was the "sound of the plane" impact.

but this explanation is clearly inconsistent with morellinis testimony since he seems to suggest that the second event (2), not the first, was the elevator crashing to the ground floor. besides would an elevator crashing to the basement floor cause a person to be thrown to the ground? perhaps? i would be sceptical.

but if event (1) was the elevator and event (2) was the "sound" of the plane impact travelling down the building. would the "sound" of the plane impact follow the elevator impact? the speed of sound is 340m/s, the plane impacted on the 93th floor which is roughly 355m above ground. so it would not take ANY longer than two seconds to reach the basement. the elevator fell because a fireball of jet fuel jetting down the elevator. so the fireball and the "sound of the plane impact" started the same time. but if the elevator fell at the speed of sound it and its occupants would surely have been crushed on impact. because the operator of the elevator survived we must reject this explanation. so the second event (2) could not have been the "sound" of the plane imapct.

so as a defender of the official story what is your explanation in relation to the testimony of morellini?
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The thread you're looking for is here.

This (old) thread is about William Rodriguez's tour.
 
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