William Ayers on NPR

[Ausmerican]

Oh. So now you are claiming that as long as Obama and Ayers were just working on teaching social justice, racist and communist notions in the schools, it doesn't matter if Obama might have known at the time that Ayers and his wife were earlier involved in bombings that killed people ... and unrepentent about it?

Wow. Could you possibly reframe someone elses words any more dishonestly than that? And then you roll your eyes as if they aren't to be taken seriously? You are dishonest.

 

[BeAChooser]

That is correct he wasn't an issue until Clinton, then McCain made him an issue.

That is false. Clinton first mentioned Ayers in April of 2008. Yet, here's an article on the Huffington Post back in February of 2008 that talks about the "Ayers Problem":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/no-he-cant-because-yes_b_87036.html

It was enough of an issue that it was receiving "Fact Checker" attention back in February:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

The fact that the mainstream media chose to ignore the Ayers issue or spin it away whenever it did mention Obama, is not because it wasn't an issue but because they didn't want it to BECOME an issue. And in that regard, McCain and Palin made a serious mistake taking Obama's association with Ayers, Reverend Wright, and Khalidi off the table during most, if not all, of the campaign. They and their association with Obama were in fact legitimate issues ... just as the communism of Obama's father, mother, two brothers, "childhood mentor, and many other associations was a legitimate issue. An issue that again the mainstream media, willing accomplices in the election of Obama, failed to explore. But that doesn't mean we can't explore them now.

 

[Lonewulf]

And in that regard, McCain and Palin made a serious mistake taking Obama's association with Ayers, Reverend Wright, and Khalidi off the table during most, if not all, of the campaign.

Actually, it demonstrates that they actually had standards.

Unlike some people.

 

[Gurdur]

..... But that doesn't mean we can't explore them now.

Explore it as much as you like. I'm all in favour of you devoting huge amounts of time and attention to utterly pointless exercises in pathetic futility and irrelevance.


BTW, it will be fun for the next 8 years. Cheers!

 

[BeAChooser]

And please answer the question about Ahmed Ressam you've avoided twice now.

Yeah, I noticed that. Must be a hard question to answer.

 

[BeAChooser]

I wonder if I was the only one who thought of BAC when Obama made this comment:

Quote:
By the end of the week he'll be accusing me of being a secret communist because I shared my toys in kindergarten.

Thank you for mentioning that, gdnp. Because Obama seems to think the worst thing about being a communist is that they make children share their toys in kindergarten.

 

[BeAChooser]

Thus confirming that you don't actually bother to read the words other people post.

Thus confirming you didn't actually understand the implications of what you wrote.

 

[Lonewulf]

Thank you for mentioning that, gdnp. Because Obama seems to think the worst thing about being a communist is that they make children share their toys in kindergarten.

...

BeAChooser has to be a parody. No way someone could post this and believe it.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Ayers is indeed important NOW ... even after the election.

No.

Hysteria has a sort of saturation point. I don't think there's a single person left who would be convinced by this sort of drivel and who has not already been driven out of their minds with hatred and rage at Obama. Certainly your chances of finding one on these forums are pretty slim.

Ayers is not "important NOW", because he can no longer make any nuts nuttier than they are already. Oh, and 'cos Obama won.

So I'm wondering why you bother.

 

[gdnp]

...just as the communism of Obama's father, mother, two brothers, "childhood mentor, and many other associations was a legitimate issue. An issue that again the mainstream media, willing accomplices in the election of Obama, failed to explore. But that doesn't mean we can't explore them now.

Yes. We can clearly see his communist tendencies coming out in his cabinet picks...I'm predicting Hugo Chavez for Energy secretary and Ahmadinejad for homeland security...

 

[Ausmerican]

No.

Hysteria has a sort of saturation point. I don't think there's a single person left who would be convinced by this sort of drivel and who has not already been driven out of their minds with hatred and rage at Obama. Certainly your chances of finding one on these forums are pretty slim.

Ayers is not "important NOW", because he can no longer make any nuts nuttier than they are already. Oh, and 'cos Obama won.

So I'm wondering why you bother.

Because only by obsessively dwelling on his derailed "train of logic" that "links" Obama and Ayers can he stop the voice in his head that is even now screaming at him: "Why aren't we talking about CLINTON!!!!!"

 

[Cleon]

Thus confirming you didn't actually understand the implications of what you wrote.

The word "implication" has a meaning.

That meaning is not "how BeAChooser will lie about your statement."

Two lies in a row from you, now. Care to make it a triple play?

 

[BeAChooser]

Care to make it a triple play?

Nah, let's just talk some more about Ayers and that NPR interview ... since you apparently don't want to talk about it.

What do others have to say?

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/19/domestic-terrorist-bill-ayers-on-nprs-fresh-air/

As in other recent interviews, he denied having a very close relationship with Barack Obama but at the same time he states that the residents in his neighborhood are very friendly, get together in each others’ homes and “laugh about the inflated rhetoric of the 60s”.

Are we therefore to believe that Barack and Michelle aren't very neighborly? Or was Ayers being honest when he stated in the forward of his recently re-released book that the Obama's are "family friends"?

Ayers denies that the Weather Underground was a terrorist organization but that it was a militant one.

So explain this to me: How is bombing the Capitol Building, the Pentagon, the NYC Police Headquarters and a judge’s home NOT terrorism? ... snip ... These actions, he states, were “Extreme acts of Vandalism”. Gosh, I must be naive. I thought vandalism was like painting graffiti on bridges or turning over outhouses, as kids in my younger days did. I wouldn’t have labeled setting bombs as vandalism.

Me either. But then I guess some Obama supporters do.

And say ... shall we discuss his tribute to Sirhan Sirhan?

 

[gdnp]

Are we therefore to believe that Barack and Michelle aren't very neighborly? Or was Ayers being honest when he stated in the forward of his recently re-released book that the Obama's are "family friends"?

Since we have no evidence except both men's denials of any close relationship, what else would you have us believe? Do you have statements from neighbors who attended these get-togethers placing Obama and Ayers together? Or are they all part of the big cover-up as well?

 

[BeAChooser]

Since we have no evidence except both men's denials of any close relationship

So why did Ayers, in his re-released memoir "Fugitive Days" describe himself as a "family friend" of Obama? Ayers said he wrote that on July 4th of this year ... at the same time Obama's campaign was saying they weren't friends ... that he was just some "guy" in the "neighborhood". Apparently someone has been a little dishonest, if only to themselves.

And here's another curious fact, gdnp. On ABC Good Morning America, recently, Ayers said that he didn't even know Mr Obama when he hosted the event at his home where Obama began his political career. Let's see ... the exact date of that event isn't known but all accounts seem to suggest it was in the second half of 1995. So how could Obama have been named a chair in CAC in early (before March) 1995? You see ... it's also stated by various sources that Ayers met Obama before he was picked for that job. My my ... it's hard for liars to keep all the lies straight.

 

[gdnp]

So why did Ayers, in his re-released memoir "Fugitive Days" describe himself as a "family friend" of Obama? Ayers said he wrote that on July 4th of this year ... at the same time Obama's campaign was saying they weren't friends ... that he was just some "guy" in the "neighborhood". Apparently someone has been a little dishonest, if only to themselves.

There are all sorts of people in my neighborhood that I see occasionally. For example, there are the parents of my daughter's best friend who I bump into on back to school night, or at a softball game, or when one stops by to pick up their kid. I have never had them over for dinner, although I may have attended a party or two where they were also guests. I have never discussed politics with them. I see them quite frequently because our daughters spend a lot of time together. But we are in no way close.

If someone had asked me if I knew these people, I might describe them as family friends. People I have known on a superficial level for many years. Just as Ayers described his relationship with Obama: family friends. Not good friends. Not close friends. Family friends. It implies a certain distance that you seem to be having difficulty grasping.

 

[gtc]

Ayers is the gift that keeps on giving.

When people point out that they chose to work together, the excuse is that they weren't personally close.

Then when its pointed out that they chose to socialise together and Ayers describes Obama as a family friend examples of family friends who aren't close are raised which conveniently overlook the professional relationship.

This is what Ayers says:

“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,”

Hey, maybe Ayers has been a GOP plant all along. His bombing campaign was just a plot to discredit the liberal movement and he kept his deep cover alive to discredit future Illinois Democrat Presidents.


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[Dr Adequate]

Ayers is the gift that keeps on giving.

No. This is why you have to keep shuffling the same old half-truths in the hope that one day they'll look sinister.

P.S: It's over, Obama won.

 

[A'isha]

When people point out that they chose to work together, the excuse is that they weren't personally close.

Then when its pointed out that they chose to socialise together and Ayers describes Obama as a family friend examples of family friends who aren't close are raised which conveniently overlook the professional relationship.

And the answer is, again, "so what?"

I know a guy who used to be a coworker of mine. We worked together in the same small room in our office for several years, with our cubes right across from each other. We often ate lunch together, and talked politics quite a bit. He transferred to a different building in another section of town, but we're still friendly; I was most recently at his house for a Halloween party about a month ago.

How many of his political and personal opinions should be ascribed to me because of that? How many of mine to him?

 

[gtc]

And the answer is, again, "so what?"

I have said it again and again. It shows that Obama had poor judgement by choosing to associate with him, nothing more, nothing less.

I have no idea why this is so difficult for some Obama supporters on this board to accept. The amount of spinning that is occurring is incredible - trying to deny that Ayers was a terrorist who remains unrepentant and trying to deny that Obama chose to associate with him. The knots they are tying themselves in is incredible.

I know a guy who used to be a coworker of mine. We worked together in the same small room in our office for several years, with our cubes right across from each other. We often ate lunch together, and talked politics quite a bit. He transferred to a different building in another section of town, but we're still friendly; I was most recently at his house for a Halloween party about a month ago.

There is a difference between being mere co-workers and joining a board to work together. Your friend is also not an unrepentant former terrorist and he hasn't held a fund-raiser at your house.

How many of his political and personal opinions should be ascribed to me because of that? How many of mine to him?

None. I never said any should be.