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Will the Olympic stadium in London undergo a false flag attack?

I know I'm one to talk, but isn't it a logical fallacy to to immediately accept or deny a source based on where it comes from? Not that I'm accepting it, it's just worrying.
 
Nick Terry said:
when the 'related articles' includes this one

Is false flag UFO alien invasion planned for London Olympics? AlienDigest.com

the answer is, it's time to stop reading conspiracy websites.
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How do you get a false flag alien invasion anyway?:confused:
 
wollclark said:
What about the 200,000 casket linings sent in preparation for the 2012 Olympics? http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/07/RIR-120715.php

http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/03/l...ible-evacuation-20000-casket-linings-on-hold/
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This earliest that this claim turns up in June 20th, in a forum post by conspiracy theorist Tony Gosling, where he quotes an "emal" he got that morning:

Plus I got this by emal this morning

"There are plans for the evacuation of London and 100,000 troops are coming in via Woolwich barracks made up of regular Army, American regular army and European troops.
This could just be a precaution but the public should be made aware of the foreign invasion which is taking place right now. The troops are being held across London in various barracks once they've been through woolwich barracks.
I also have this information confirmed by an army officer who was shocked at all the foreign troops coming into London.
There is also a shipment of what are being described as casket linings, each casket can hold four or five people and 200,000 casket linings have been delivered we believe from America. This could all be precautionary in the event of a major terrorist attack."

...Does that sound legit to you? An unsourced, undetailed email? The vague, hazy tone of the email, combined with the wishy-washy phrases like "confirmed by an army officer" should sound the skeptical alarm bells in your head. Which officer? When?
 
A casket lining is a piece of nice material that lines the inside of a casket.

A grave lining is what goes on the outside of a casket, to keep it from contaminating the ground, water, etc.

It's a shock that the paranoid conspiracy theorist that posted this "emal" didn't know the difference. A quick google search of infowars.com shows several articles about "grave liners," "coffin liners," and "casket liners" dating back to 2008. Looks like it's a favorite theme of the conspiracists.
 
wollclark said:
I know I'm one to talk, but isn't it a logical fallacy to to immediately accept or deny a source based on where it comes from? Not that I'm accepting it, it's just worrying.
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No, part of being skeptical is being aware of your sources.

Can the guy in the video back up the things he claims? What possible reasons can there be for the mainstream media not being interested in story that if it exists as described by this guy, it would be a massive scandal? Let's list two possible reasons:

1. The mainstream media are a part of a massive conspiracy to perform a false flag attack on the London Olympics and are attempting to cover it up.

2. The guy in the video is telling fibs.

My money is on number two.

If the guy can present proper sources that back up all his claims, I would want to see this further investigated. However, considering the source (a conspiracy webpage talking about UFO invasions) I rather doubt any such sources will be forthcoming.
 
100,000 troops in London? They can't find enough beds for the few thousand they have called up to act as security for the games. Woolwich barracks are right in the town. Hw are they going to pass 100,000 troops through without being noticed? that is more troops than the entire british army!
 
wollclark said:
I know I'm one to talk, but isn't it a logical fallacy to to immediately accept or deny a source based on where it comes from? Not that I'm accepting it, it's just worrying.
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Considering the credibility of a source is critical to evaluating its trustworthiness, but is not the only step.

firstly there is overall credibility. One of your sources links to stories positing a 'false flag alien invasion' during the Olympics, which is simply preposterous, and is immensely damaging to the overall credibility of the source. It sounds like something from Weekly World News rather than the New York Times.

Also, your article here links back to infowars. I.e. it's Alex Jones. Who has a well documented track record of lying through his teeth and making any old crap up just to terrify people. Alex Jones has never been right about anything in his entire media career. He has been proven wrong hundreds of times.

Secondly, there's a lack of confirmation from more conventional sources. And that is the really critical thing. It is not enough to have the same kind of sources tell you the same thing, you need different news sources to tell you the same thing. I will illustrate with a comparison.

The world media has correctly reported that Britain decided to install anti-aircraft missiles in London as security for the Olympics. I know I read it in multiple British newspapers, and foreign newspapers reported it as well. I don't assume that the entire world media is lying to me about this claim. There is no reason to assume they are lying about this.

By contrast, you link to a couple of conspiracy websites claiming on the basis of a 'whistleblower' that 200,000 "casket linings" have been ordered in advance of the Olympics.

Thirdly, read the source properly and think through what is being claimed. What the hell is a "casket lining" anyway? In a mass casualty situation caused by nuclear, biological or chemical attack, you'd talk about body bags and they'd be dumped into mass graves. So the credibility of the "whistleblower" is already reduced.

There is no earthly reason why the British government would order 200,000 "casket linings" and no reason why they'd order ones that 'hold four bodies each'. That makes absolutely no sense. I have never heard of any form of coffin or body bag that holds multiple corpses. Body bags are meant to hold one body, so they can be carried. Two people would find it exceedingly difficult to carry off four adults in this 'casket lining'. You'd need moving equipment, in which case why not bulldoze the thousands of corpses into a burial pit and be done with it.

And that's the really silly part. What on earth is going to kill 200,000 or 800,000 people? Anything that is going to cause, supposedly, 800,000 casualties in East London during the Olympics is going to leave a toxic environment, either radioactive because a nuke was set off, or biological/chemical because those are the only possible weapons systems available to mankind in 2012 that can inflict that much carnage. No conventional explosive would do the job.

Not even multiple fuel-air explosive bombs would kill 200,000 people in a coordinated strike on the stadium. That only holds 80,000 people so once you're outside the stadium then anyone else is going to be protected inside their homes and offices. Contrary to Hollywood, bombs and explosives do not inflict so much damage that they will kill 800,000 people.


So that's a four-step procedure you should follow every time you read something:

1. consider the source. Is it credible? Does it make unbelievable claims about other things?

2. seek confirmation from an independent source. Check the links to make sure that the story does not loop back onto itself. If the source is 'fringe', look for confirmation in a 'mainstream' source.

3. read the story properly and actually think about what is being claimed. If the claim is impossible or implausible, stop worrying about it.

4. do all this before posting a link on an internet forum.
 
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In the same way that you would find things "a bit fishy" about a mainstream story, wollclark, apply the same to an "alternate" news story - question it. The big one is that this undercover whistleblower is supposed to be an investigative journalist. Aside from the question of whether he actually is a journalist or not, or is simply claiming to be one to stoke his ego, does he actually have any documentation of his claims? He was there for "several months", so he must have kept an extensive record of his research. Does he have photos? Hidden microphone recordings? Concealed camera footage? Taped telephone calls? What about any notes he may have taken? Interview transcripts? Daily diary?

From what I can see, he hasn't presented a single bit of evidence for his claims. Not in any interviews, or his videos on YouTube. Don't you think that if he had this material, he would upload it to YouTube, rather than shakily film his monitor with his webcam and ramble about a BBC article?

Oh, and one of the tags on his videos is "tactics+zion+false flag." I smell agenda!
 
carlitos said:
A casket lining is a piece of nice material that lines the inside of a casket.

A grave lining is what goes on the outside of a casket, to keep it from contaminating the ground, water, etc.

It's a shock that the paranoid conspiracy theorist that posted this "emal" didn't know the difference. A quick google search of infowars.com shows several articles about "grave liners," "coffin liners," and "casket liners" dating back to 2008. Looks like it's a favorite theme of the conspiracists.
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Yeah, this "stockpiling caskets" thing is a standard FEMA Death Camp CT that they've just re-told as a London Olympics CT. The "holds 4-5 people" thing is almost an exact quote of earlier reports about FEMA stockpiles. We pretty much demolished this in an earlier thread here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3895791#post3895791

The CTists (note, this "report" ultimately links back to infowars) are just recycling the same BS they always use, that we've already addressed. If they were demonstratably wrong about it last time, why would we assume they would be any more accurate this time? Notice, they don't even try to address their earlier failure, "Unlike last time we cried "Wolf!", this time we're correct, because these wolves are somehow different from the last batch..." They just ignore their failure, and hope that the people they're trying to scam haven't heard abut the earlier screw up.
 
jimfish said:
In the same way that you would find things "a bit fishy" about a mainstream story, wollclark, apply the same to an "alternate" news story - question it. The big one is that this undercover whistleblower is supposed to be an investigative journalist. Aside from the question of whether he actually is a journalist or not, or is simply claiming to be one to stoke his ego, does he actually have any documentation of his claims? He was there for "several months", so he must have kept an extensive record of his research. Does he have photos? Hidden microphone recordings? Concealed camera footage? Taped telephone calls? What about any notes he may have taken? Interview transcripts? Daily diary?

From what I can see, he hasn't presented a single bit of evidence for his claims. Not in any interviews, or his videos on YouTube. Don't you think that if he had this material, he would upload it to YouTube, rather than shakily film his monitor with his webcam and ramble about a BBC article?

Oh, and one of the tags on his videos is "tactics+zion+false flag." I smell agenda!
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It is applied a bit to conspiracy stories every now and then. In fact I Googled "'ben fellows 'evidence'" and found nothing tangible, but emotion takes over.
 
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wollclark said:
It is applied a bit to conspiracy stories every now and then. In fact I Googled "'ben fellows 'evidence'" and found nothing tangible, but emotion takes over.
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Yeah, when you follow the trail back to the beginning you see it's nothing more than an vague, anonymous claim that has been embellished with each repetition.
"There is also a shipment of what are being described as casket linings, each casket can hold four or five people and 200,000 casket linings have been delivered we believe from America."
 
Robrob said:
Yeah, when you follow the trail back to the beginning you see it's nothing more than an vague, anonymous claim that has been embellished with each repetition.
"There is also a shipment of what are being described as casket linings, each casket can hold four or five people and 200,000 casket linings have been delivered we believe from America."
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And they are casket linings. Where are the 200,000 caskets?
 
Spindrift said:
And they are casket linings. Where are the 200,000 caskets?
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict the "what are being described as casket linings" turns out to be something more like body bags or field stretchers and the "200,000" turns out to be more like 2,000.

Much of CT is like a game of "telephone."
 
Robrob said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict the "what are being described as casket linings" turns out to be something more like body bags or field stretchers and the "200,000" turns out to be more like 2,000.

Much of CT is like a game of "telephone."
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Haven't you been following PeaceCrusader over in General?

That's gotta be at least 200,000,000...
 
Robrob said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict the "what are being described as casket linings" turns out to be something more like body bags or field stretchers and the "200,000" turns out to be more like 2,000.

Much of CT is like a game of "telephone."
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I'm willing to bet that they're nothing more than baseless repetitions of previous CT nonsense that we've seen before.
 
wollclark said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-mu-GcCvG8&t=9m11s

Does anyone know a source about the issues with numerology? This guy (who I believe came up with the Olympics false flag idea) goes on about many instances about the number eleven, and it seems rather astonishing.
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Okay, anything anything anything that uses "numerology" should be dismissed without question.

Numerology literally has no fixed rules for predicting anything. You can mix and match numerical manipulations to produce any results you want. Any number could be manipulated to produce any other number if there are no limits on how you may manipulate them. This is literally the best example you could find of people finding what they want to find to support their preconceived notions.
 
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