Will the internet survive energy contraction?

excaza said:
Have you come up with any numbers showing that civilization is going to collapse once the oil runs out because renewable energy sources won't be sufficient? We're waiting eagerly.
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I don't think civilization will collapse, I think industrial civilization will collapse. I think civilization is going to change, which anyone with half a brain cell can see.
 
Ok, so he's a scientist misinterpreting something. He can't even correctly interpret the article he cites.

TFian said:
I don't think civilization will collapse, I think industrial civilization will collapse. I think civilization is going to change, which anyone with half a brain cell can see.
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Billions of people dying off is not a collapse?
 
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excaza said:
Ok, so he's a scientist misinterpreting something. He can't even correctly interpret the article he cites.


Billions of people dying off is not a collapse?
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Yes, as I just said, industrial civilization is collapsing, but civilization won't. We had civilization a lot longer than industrialization.
 
TFian said:
That doesn't change the fact that alternatives do NOT have a bigger EROEI than easily extracted fossil fuels. Or do you really think there's not a difference between 100:1 to 4:1?

And yes, solar panels and wind turbines eventually break after use.
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"Oil" is fungible. Obviously so, since the alternatives here - including those which don't produce oil at all - are given figures of "oil extracted".

In other words, you don't need oil to build a wind turbine. None at all.

No doom for you.
 
PixyMisa said:
"Oil" is fungible. Obviously so, since the alternatives here - including those which don't produce oil at all - are given figures of "oil extracted".

In other words, you don't need oil to build a wind turbine. None at all.

No doom for you.
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How do you figure that?
 
You've posted layered assertions, haven't seen a calculation or reference to a calculation yet. Not to mention you flat out ignore everything that runs counter to whatever you post.
 
Oh, him. More bare assertions and doomsday peak oil prophecies. No thanks.
 
excaza said:
Oh, him. More bare assertions and doomsday peak oil prophecies. No thanks.
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What bare assertions?

He backs up his "prophecies" pretty well. He wouldn't be a PhD and invited to numerous speaking tours if he didn't have his facts together.
 
TFian said:
He backs up his "prophecies" pretty well. He wouldn't be a PhD and invited to numerous speaking tours if he didn't have his facts together.
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Appeal to authority aside, sure you could.
 
His PhD is in range science. How is that relevant to oil? You can get a PhD in a lot of stuff, that doesn't make you an authority of everything just for having one.
 
excaza said:
His PhD is in range science. How is that relevant to oil? You can get a PhD in a lot of stuff, that doesn't make you an authority of everything just for having one.
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Because it's all about the conservation of natural resources, which includes things like biofuels and oil.
 
So that makes him an authority on the capabilities of other energy technologies. k.

Carry on waiting for the end of the world.
 
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