Will HC reform be seen in the same light as Social Security by future Americans?

[Undesired Walrus]

An interesting view:

Conservatives screamed as Roosevelt cajoled Congress to enact the Social Security Act. They cried that the process was moving too quickly, that the legislation was too complex, that it would destroy private enterprise. But a Democratic House and Senate passed the bill and on Aug. 14, 1935, Roosevelt signed it. Conservatives filed lawsuits and promised to drive the Democrats from office and undo the Social Security Act.

Instead, Roosevelt and the Democrats swept to landslide victories in 1936. By 1938, FDR’s administration declared: “At the third-year milepost, the road back shows well over 30,000,000 men and women now building up insurance against want in their old age (and) about 2,350,000 of the needy receiving assistance in their own homes; and health and welfare services reaching out into all parts of the country.”

Today, Social Security is so integrated into the fabric of American life that even conservatives defend it, just as they one day will defend national health care. Notably, that health care program was first proposed not by Barack Obama or Bill Clinton but by FDR, who announced in 1939 that “a comprehensive health program (is) required as an essential link in our national defenses against individual and social insecurity.

Roosevelt was proven right with regard to Social Security in his time.

Roosevelt will be proven right with regard to national health care in our time.
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http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...cle_25ab8584-277d-5fb4-b27c-78d7c5cfa8bb.html

A misguided article or a wise prediction?

 

[Thunder]

Social Security. Medicare. Medicaid. And now this.

Obama will be remembered with the great ones.

 

[Architect]

As Rolfe points out, none of the mainstream political parties in the UK advocate the dismantling of the NHS.

 

[drkitten]

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...cle_25ab8584-277d-5fb4-b27c-78d7c5cfa8bb.html

A misguided article or a wise prediction?

Assuming it comes to fruitition and is not gutted by a series of political hacks,... almost certainly a wise prediction.

 

[Rolfe]

As Rolfe points out, none of the mainstream political parties in the UK advocate the dismantling of the NHS.

Sad though Ivan Cameron's short life and death was, he may turn out to have done more for the health service than Bevan.

Rolfe.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Wise prediction, I think.

In a few years, the GOP would be idiotic to try undoing HCR. Just look at how their attempt to privatize Social Security backfired on them.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Will there even be future americans?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Sad though Ivan Cameron's short life and death was, he may turn out to have done more for the health service than Bevan.

Rolfe.

I sympathise with your thoughts Rolfe, but I'd have to put this in pseuds corner in the Eye.

 

[dudalb]

No this mess of a bill, which does nothing but give the Dems a chance to say "we passed Health Care Reform".

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Will HC reform be seen in the same light as Social Security by future Americans?

Without a doubt..

Another wasteful, inefficient, government run entitlement program, where those who contribute the most, benefit the least ..

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

You do know that's really only on the right echo chamber, right? Wait...

 

[WildCat]

An interesting view:


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opi...cle_25ab8584-277d-5fb4-b27c-78d7c5cfa8bb.html

A misguided article or a wise prediction?

More than half of the Congressional Republicans voted for SS.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

On a side note: All but 5 Democrats voted for the 13th Amendment. And a lot of votes were gotten by implicit reward. I don't really think vote tallys matter much in terms of how something is rewarded unless it itself has issues.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

More than half of the Congressional Republicans voted for SS.

Which is not to imply that it was a good thing.

Social Security (along with Medicare part-D) accounts for more than 100 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities.

 

[Juniversal]

Will there even be future americans?

Ahhh....we're all gonna die!!!!

 

[DC]

Will there even be future americans?

yes.

 

[ponderingturtle]

As Rolfe points out, none of the mainstream political parties in the UK advocate the dismantling of the NHS.

Here we get conservatives fighting medicare cuts.

 

[ponderingturtle]

No this mess of a bill, which does nothing but give the Dems a chance to say "we passed Health Care Reform".

It helps resolve some of the moral problems with health care in this country. Getting spending under control will take something much bigger than a little financial crisis like we had to get the desire to do anything about costs.

Dealing with costs will take money away from people and cost people their jobs, and politicians don't like costing people their jobs and the ones who would lose the money have a lot of political pull.

 

[Beerina]

Social Security achieved its stated goal: To get people attached to the teat of government, so the supporting party would be able to rely on it to keep people voting for them.

Touching Social Security (or, more recently Medicare) is the "3rd Rail" of politics that nobody will touch.

It also achieved other predictions, such as being vastly more costly than predicted by its sponsors.



BTW, as a "3rd Rail", Medicare cuts are a big part of the savings that will help make this bill "save" money. They will not happen. You want to write down a prediction? Write down that one.

 

[funk de fino]

So far less than the usual huge amount of Americans will die due to a lack of healthcare?

Thats gotta be a vote winner in any sane country. Especially if the CBO are right.