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WikiLeaks Guantanamo Detainee Omar Khadr

Because what innocent 15 year old doesn't go to Afghanistan to hang out with daddy's Taliban buddies during a war?
 
WildCat said:
Because what innocent 15 year old doesn't go to Afghanistan to hang out with daddy's Taliban buddies during a war?
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Hanging out with daddy's Taliban buddies during a war isn't the officially-offered reason for torturing and imprisoning this child.

Are you happy with his treatment, WildCat?
 
JihadJane said:
Hanging out with daddy's Taliban buddies during a war isn't the officially-offered reason for torturing and imprisoning this child.

Are you happy with his treatment, WildCat?
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I'm sure he'll be a model citizen of Canada when he returns.
 
I think this thread is missing a few tags like, treasonous, and murderer.
 
pchams said:
I think this thread is missing a few tags like, treasonous, and murderer.
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What makes you say that?

Seems more likely that he was framed and a confession tortured out of him.
 
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WildCat said:
I'm sure he'll be a model citizen of Canada when he returns.
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please don't allow a lack of courage stop you from answering.....the simple question was if you were happy with his treatment.

are you?
 
I am all for torturing terrorist scumbags who definitly have information like KSM. I would do it myself and not lose any sleep.

I don't know how this kid was treated (I am am on my cell right now and although I could find the video in the op it would take too much work). Anyway, assuming he is just some stupid nobody kid there is no reason to torture him. I am not comfortable with that.
 
Unbelievable. No legitimate trial, a confession signed after being sleep deprived and badgered, a technique known to cause people to sign false confessions. From the Wiki entry, Omar Ahmed KhadrWP, you can read a better summary of how he came to be where he was. He was raised by parents and circumstances that took him to Afghanistan. He didn't "go to hang out with daddy's Taliban buddies" as WC describes it. His parents raised him there. It just so happens he was born in Canada and spent time in Canada as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan.

In the Wiki account it says he preferred hanging out with the men and not hiding in a Burqa his Mom made him wear to hide. Seems like a pretty obvious thing for a 15 yr old to want to do. You are raised around a culture that views women as inferior, your mom makes you wear women's clothes to hide and you ask Dad to be with the men and other boys instead.

I don't see this kid as evil. Who knows how brain washed he is by now about the Americans, surely reinforced by how he's been treated. I'd say his treatment has been pretty unjust.
 
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fishbob said:
You are smarter than this.
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How smart you think I might be has nothing to do with it. It has to do with whether torturing scumbags like KSM is OK. I think it is. I respect others' opinions although I understand they might not respect mine.
 
fishbob said:
You are smarter than this.
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Sadism isn't about intelligence.

It is interesting it was first covered up with a pretense of torturing in order to obtain "information", but then essentially admitted that "scumbags" should be tortured.

I do not respect that opinion any more than I respect the opinion of a serial killer or rapist in justifying his crimes either. Torture is a crime for good reasons.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
He was raised by parents and circumstances that took him to Afghanistan. He didn't "go to hang out with daddy's Taliban buddies" as WC describes it. His parents raised him there. It just so happens he was born in Canada and spent time in Canada as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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And then it just so happened daddy's buddies suddenly joined the Taliban 3 seconds prior to Khadr meeting up with them. I bet he was just about to skedaddle when they decided to shoot at the evil American soldiers who were probably there to rape and enslave the women.
 
The Fool said:
please don't allow a lack of courage stop you from answering.....the simple question was if you were happy with his treatment.

are you?
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According to this article, Khadr says his eight years in prison taught him "the beauty of life".

That sounds like a good thing, doesn't it?

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...y-to-slain-soldiers-widow-20101029-176fg.html

During his brief statement, which was not under oath or subject to cross examination, Khadr, now 24, said his eight years in prison had taught him "the beauty of life".
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Of course the article also says he used a grenade to killed Sgt Christopher Speer, an army combat medic. I guess that was before he learned the beauty of life.
 
Putting aside the fact that he's a child and was abused as a detainee, I don't understand how a charge of "murder in violation of the law of war" could possibly stand up to scrutiny.

He threw a grenade at a legitimate military target - a US Army soldier - and killed said soldier.

That's not murder. It's war. Again, ignoring for the moment that he's a minor, as a person living in Afghanistan at the time of the US invasion of Afghanistan, he has the right, under Article 2 (Annex to the Convention) of the Hague Convention for the Laws of War on Land (1907), to take up arms to fight the Americans.
 
gumboot said:
That's not murder. It's war. Again, ignoring for the moment that he's a minor, as a person living in Afghanistan at the time of the US invasion of Afghanistan, he has the right, under Article 2 (Annex to the Convention) of the Hague Convention for the Laws of War on Land (1907), to take up arms to fight the Americans.
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Khadr et al denied being combatants, then opened fire when troops moved in to search the house.

You don't get to claim not to be a combatant, then suddenly you are a combatant whenever it suits your purpose. Note he was charged with murder in violation of the laws of war.
 
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WildCat said:
Khadr et al denied being combatants, then opened fire when troops moved in to search the house.
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That's not how the Wikipedia article recounts the incident. According to wikipedia, the military surrounded the houses (observing that there were armed men at the site), told the occupants to surrender, and the occupants opened fire on them, initiating a firefight. Also according to Wikipedia, no one saw him specifically, at all until after he'd killed the US soldier. Do you have a reliable source for an alternative sequence of events?



WildCat said:
You don't get to claim not to be a combatant, then suddenly you are a combatant whenever it suits your purpose. Note he was charged with murder in violation of the laws of war.
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And I'm asking what specific laws of war he violated. I see no evidence that he made any claims whatsoever prior to the engagement. Even if some of the soldiers failed to carry their weapons openly (there's absolutely nothing in the Laws of War that says you can't "claim" you're not a combatant when you are, and indeed subterfuge is about as old as warfare) you're not automatically a war criminal because some other guy you're fighting with decided to commit a war crime (unless they're someone who's fighting under your command).
 
gumboot said:
That's not how the Wikipedia article recounts the incident. According to wikipedia, the military surrounded the houses (observing that there were armed men at the site), told the occupants to surrender, and the occupants opened fire on them, initiating a firefight. Also according to Wikipedia, no one saw him specifically, at all until after he'd killed the US soldier. Do you have a reliable source for an alternative sequence of events?
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From the wiki article:
Reinforcements from the 3rd Platoon of Bravo Company, 1st Battalion 505th Infantry Regiment arrived under the command of Captain Christopher W. Cirino, bringing the total number of Americans and Afghan militia to about fifty. Two of Zadran's militiamen were sent into the compound to speak with the inhabitants, and returned to the Americans' position and reported that the men inside claimed to be Pashtun villagers. They were told to return to the huts, and inform the occupants that the Americans wanted to search their house regardless of their affiliation. Upon hearing this, the occupants of the hut opened fire, shooting both militiamen.
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Lovely family Khadr came from:
Khadr's Egyptian-born father, Ahmad Said al-Khadr, was killed in Pakistan in 2003 alongside some senior al Qaeda operatives and Canada is holding his brother Abdullah on a U.S. extradition warrant accusing him of supplying weapons to al Qaeda.

In a documentary by the Canadian Broadcasting Corp., another brother, Abdurahman, acknowledged their father and some of his brothers fought for al Qaeda and stayed with the terrorist group's mastermind, Osama bin Laden.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/24/terror/main2723020.shtml

But I'm sure young Omar was just there to learn to ride horses and grow flowers.
 
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