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Wikileaks. Any comments?

WildCat said:
I'm responsibgle for what I wrote, and I know what I was writing about. As should anyone with any kind of reading comprehension skills who followed the entire conversation.

But since you're desperately clutching at that straw claiming I don't think extraordinary rendition is real, here's a quote from over 3 years ago:

Still want to claim I have doubts SG? :rolleyes:
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So you make a straw man to claim I'm attacking a straw man. Oh the irony.


Read carefully. You sound like you are trying to make up an excuse for why you mistakenly said Ex.Rend. was a Prison Planet CT.

I don't know why you made the mistake you made. Either you just misspoke, or, you forgot about Ex.Rend.

I do know that you made a mistake and are now making up ridiculous straw men and claiming other people can't read instead of just admitting that you made a mistake.
 
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Kevin_Lowe said:
A lot of idiots from the USA that I've seen in various places on the internet recently seem to be drooling over the idea that Assange might be murdered by Russia or China. Drooling over the idea that he might be murdered by a left-winger of some kind is new to me, but I think reflective of the same underlying pathological thinking.
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[side track]Russia today appears to be run by a mafia like collection of corrupt officials, and China is a totalitarian state. These are not what I consider "left-winger" run countries. The left, in this country anyway, is not a side that would support either China or Russia.[/sidetrack]
 
qayak said:
All this rhetoric was debunked long ago. If you have some new evidence please cite it, if not, you are sorely willfully misinformed.
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Fixed that for you. :)



Se what I mean:
BeAChooser said:
LIAR. I invite you to try and dispute ANYTHING I wrote with specifics and sources. Not handwaving. And I'm prepared to back up everything I wrote ... using credible sources. For example, would you like to read specifically what the ISG said? But then I shouldn't have to supply that, should I, since you must have already read their report. Afterall, you claim to be *well*-informed. :rolleyes:
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ddt said:
Vote for him! Time has a poll where readers can give their rating. Currently, he is #2 in number of votes and #1 in rating.
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I voted!

I took the opportunity to vote Glen Beck down a notch too, and was rewarded with the amusing captcha 'the scrotum', which seemed oddly appropriate. Assange's captcha was something gaelic.
 
A Dutch blog has noted that Wikileaks hasn't become a trending topic on Twitter.

It seems that twitter is manipulating the results.
 
Assange has been arrested in London this morning, could be interesting what happens with his insurance file.
 
Friday, the Dutch public broadcaster PowNed had made a mirror of wikileaks available, which is still up.

Today, the Dutch site Webwereld ("Web world") reports that Christian-democrat MP Ms. Bijleveld has called on the minister to "do something about it". PowNed news-anchor Weesie retorts: "Ms. Bijleveld would do well in North Korea". :rolleyes:
 
Delscottio said:
Assange has been arrested in London this morning, could be interesting what happens with his insurance file.
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I'm thinking nothing will happen with it for the time being. Only if he ends up being extradited to the US on other charges. Maybe. I rather suspect that it is a bluff, and if there was really something fantastically juicy then it would already have been released.

BeAChooser said:
You do realize that many of those targets are not US installations, but things like mines, a insulin plants, gas pipelines and manufacturing facilities
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Critical facilities are critical, it's hardly a surprise for many of the items on the list. I doubt that the terrorists have the ability to utterly destroy enough insulin plants to make a serious difference, even in the short term. Blowing up gas pipelines might cause a number of knock-on problems but they're hardly news, are they?

Even so I'm not quite sure how releasing that list fits with the rationale we've been given for the earlier leaks.
 
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Delscottio said:
Assange has been arrested in London this morning, could be interesting what happens with his insurance file.
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Why did he stay in Britain, why didn't he go to the European mainland - with Schengen, border controls have been abolished. :)

In other news, the Dutch providers Byte and XS4All - the latter very well known as staunch defender of freedom of speech - have taken over hosting wikileaks.nl (link in Dutch).
 
Per BBC News article today:

Visa Europe has begun suspending payments to whistle-blowing website Wikileaks ahead of carrying out an investigation into the organisation.

It follows a similar move by rival payments processor Mastercard on Tuesday.

Visa's announcement comes after Wikileaks' founder Julian Assange was arrested by police in London.


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Wikileaks relies on online donations to fund its operations, which will now not be possible using both Visa and Mastercard debit and credit cards.

Wikileaks relies on online donations to fund its operations, which will now not be possible using both Visa and Mastercard debit and credit cards.
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Shouldn't this wait until he's proven guilty? If Watergate was occurring today, would Visa and Mastercard cut off Woodward and Bernstein?

Why are the newspapers exempt so far?

Just curious about the reasoning.

ETA: His Swedish bank cut him off also. If he has no cash or ability to borrow, how is he supposed to defend himself in the legal system? If people are suppose to have the right to defend themselves ... well it just doesn't make sense to me. And I'm wondering, assuming that he can raise the cash to do so, if he can/will sue them.
 
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richardm said:
Critical facilities are critical, it's hardly a surprise for many of the items on the list. I doubt that the terrorists have the ability to utterly destroy enough insulin plants to make a serious difference, even in the short term. Blowing up gas pipelines might cause a number of knock-on problems but they're hardly news, are they?
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Way to miss the point.
 
ddt said:
Friday, the Dutch public broadcaster PowNed had made a mirror of wikileaks available, which is still up.

Today, the Dutch site Webwereld ("Web world") reports that Christian-democrat MP Ms. Bijleveld has called on the minister to "do something about it". PowNed news-anchor Weesie retorts: "Ms. Bijleveld would do well in North Korea". :rolleyes:
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There are also a number of news organizations that are wading through the documents they got copies of. Ellsberg used the same tactic. He gave the Pentagon Papers out to many news sources which operated with Constitutional protection Ellsberg didn't have.
 
Kaylee said:
Per BBC News article today:



Shouldn't this wait until he's proven guilty? If Watergate was occurring today, would Visa and Mastercard cut off Woodward and Bernstein?

Why are the newspapers exempt so far?

Just curious about the reasoning.

ETA: His Swedish bank cut him off also. If he has no cash or ability to borrow, how is he supposed to defend himself in the legal system? If people are suppose to have the right to defend themselves ... well it just doesn't make sense to me. And I'm wondering, assuming that he can raise the cash to do so, if he can/will sue them.
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It's absolutely frightening and the majority in the Western public in multiple countries don't seem to have noticed.

If the US doesn't like a US citizen's political activities, do you suppose they can get a second country to arrest the person and claim laws protecting US citizens are not applicable?

What's worse, the US government acting with impunity against political enemies, or the act of leaking these documents?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So you make a straw man to claim I'm attacking a straw man. Oh the irony.


Read carefully. You sound like you are trying to make up an excuse for why you mistakenly said Ex.Rend. was a Prison Planet CT.

I don't know why you made the mistake you made. Either you just misspoke, or, you forgot about Ex.Rend.

I do know that you made a mistake and are now making up ridiculous straw men and claiming other people can't read instead of just admitting that you made a mistake.
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Pathetic.

I didn't mispeak, your failure to follow a conversation is your problem. And btw, it's your strawman, attacking an argument ("there is no extraordinary renditon") I didn't make. Have fun with that. :rolleyes:
 
richardm said:
Maybe. I rather suspect that it is a bluff, and if there was really something fantastically juicy then it would already have been released.
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If there was actually something illegal revealed in the docs the leaker would have sent them to the NY Times, or a federal prosecutor instead of wikileaks. Wikileaks is like little sister threatening to tell mom that you came home after curfew.
 
what about plans of attack?
what about crypto keys for subs?
what about ways delta force folks can phone in rescue choppers?
what about an analysis of US weaknesses?
what about basically handing the Iranians how they can slaughter Israel and the United States?

Are you OK with this and other information being made public?
If you cheer Wikkileaks, you cheer death and distruction.
 
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