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Why Wasn't Auschwitz Bombed?

Geez, gotta' love the arguments here. Typical of their variety...first claim that the "standard argument" has no evidence to support its claims; and then make alternate claims of "fact" that have even less evidence to actually support them. To whit:
The truth is that in 1944 the American and British military completed independent studies using air photos and spy reports about whether it was neccessary to bomb Birkenau, and although both studies disappeared after 1944, they must have concluded that no mass murders were occurring at Birkenau because bombing was not ordered by Roosevelt, Churchill, or the military.
I love this. DESPITE the fact that both studies no longer exist, the ONLY possible conclusion is that they concluded there were no mass murders occurring at Birkenau. Its not at all possible that they concluded there were mass murders taking place, but A) bombing it was too much of a risk, could kill prisoners, B) there were other targets that were more important, C) they planned to do it later, and never did, etc.

"They must have concluded..." Yup, glad to see the heaps of verifiable evidence for the argument.
The truth is that although a few individual members of Jewish groups who had heard the mass-murder rumors, sent letters to other members of their groups to consider bombing, not one official Jewish organization anywhere in the world asked that Birkenau be bombed, because they knew from escaped inmates and spies, and from contacts with the highest levels of the U.S. and British governments, that mass murders were not occurring.
Again -- where is the evidence that Jewish organizations knew that mass murders were not occurring? Where are the quotes from someone acknowledging this, or the documents stating this?

Nowhere.

Instead, just like in the first argument, they simply argue that "such-and-such happened", and "ONLY the explanation we give (without any proof to support it) is reasonable or acceptable."
The truth is that Board member Henry Morgenthau knew of the unsubstantiated stories of Birkenau mass murders, but he acted like he did not believe them because he did not even discuss the possible bombing of Birkenau or any other camp during his many meetings with President Roosevelt.
I don't get this argument at all. Surely there were tons of potential actions and sites that were not discussed; that would not mean that they were not legitimate targets, or that the Germans were doing nothing wrong. The logic is fundamentally flawed. Or perhaps he discussed Birkenau, but did not discuss bombing it. because of potential risk to prisoners...of course, we have no way to know, since the person making this claim has, once again, provided absolutely no evidence to support their claim.
The truth is rail-lines and bridges together with the Birkenau
Cremation buildings could have been bombed with a minimum loss of life the same way two other areas were bombed. From June, 1942 to August, 1944, 12 groups of B-25 long-range bombers and P-38 Lightning fighter-bombers , flew long distances from airfields in Egypt to pin-point bomb at low elevations the Ploesti oil refinery 55 kilomters (35 miles) north of Bucharest, Rumania, and on August 24th, '44, the Gustloff-Werke armaments factory 150 m (500 ft) from Buchenwald detention camp in Germany, was destroyed by B-25 bombers without a single bomb hitting the Buchenwald camp.
Oooooh...let's see.

The Allies bombed and oil refinery, and an armaments factory; both critical strategic targets that significantly weakened the enemy's ability to fight back, and where casualties were mostly German.

This is compared to the bombing of a prison camp, where the casualties would be primarily prisoners; and where taking out the train tracks, for example, would simply result in making it harder for Germans to deliver food and other necessities to the camp.

In my admittedly limited knowledge of wartime tactics, the bombing of targets like prison camps would be done primarily when forces are in place to follow up the bombing with an attempted liberation of the prisoners. Otherwise, it is pretty much a waste of time...what exactly do you accomplish, other than potentially putting prisoners at greater risk than they already are? Whereas the bombing of armaments factories and oil refineries are strategically important at any stage of the battle, and yield a significant benefit.

A bunch of crap, piled on top of rubbish, garnished with manure.
 
Is his argument really that if the allies had known that the Nazis were murdering the Jews, they would have bombed the camp to save the prisoners from being murdered?

:hb:
 
So, "The Committee For Historical Truth", so-called, admit there are cremation buildings at Auschwitz prison camp, and a network of rail-lines leading into it, then deny that anyone was being murdered there...

Again: the Germans build five rail-lines, all leading to Auschwitz -- (should've filled up pretty quick!) -- then row upon row of cremation buildings, in Auschwitz, and... and... never use them???

Yet still they decide to invest the time, energy, and resources, during a war, to do all this, for what exactly? Practice? Summer works project for Nazi Youth?? Hitler collected crematoria???

Wow. That is quite the theory. Committee must've been up all night.
 
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Yes - bombing the camp would have stopped the NAZI killing the Jews - they would do it for them.

The Allies were able to work out the exact nature of the camp, its function capacity repair ability, all from an aircraft flying past at 350mph.

I know this will sound callous - but it is a reality. Allied leadership has to consider how to stop as many of their own people from dying as possible. Their primary mission is to stop the Germans ability to kill them, hence find the shortest possible way to end the war. Balanced with a mission that may delay the deaths of these poor prisioners - the choice is obvious- if albeit an extremely tough one.

If the Allies had surplus air crews sitting around scratching themselves and looking at their shiny planes - You would have a case. But there wasn't,the air crews where dying like flies, almost to the end of the war, German anti aircraft tactics drew a heavy toll

So when you can rebut these points, come on back
 
Call me suspicious, but I can't help but think that if the Allies had bombed a death camp, that would be used by the same groups to prove that the places could not, of course, be death camps, since the Allies would not want to bomb prisoners of war.

Can these scholars point to an Allied policy of bombing prisoner of war/work/death camps as part of their WW2 strategy?

I mean, isn't this the equvalent of "Stalag 11 was never bombed by the Allies, therefore obviously Allied pilots were never shot down and captured by the Germans" ??
 
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I have seen a lot of crazy in my life... I mean a looooot of crazy... but this.... THIS is amazing.
 
Is his argument really that if the allies had known that the Nazis were murdering the Jews, they would have bombed the camp to save the prisoners from being murdered?

:hb:

That does seem to be the gist of it.

We were just discussing in another thread the lack of precision of the ordinance in WWII compared to today. I think that the people who think we should have bombed the Auschwitz concentration camp are forgetting a couple of things.

1. The precision for the aerial bombs used in WWII was measured in hundreds of yards, not single-digit meters such as today.
2. We probably wouldn't even bomb a facility such as this today, because of the risk of collateral damage.
 
I think that the people who think we should have bombed the Auschwitz concentration camp are forgetting a couple of things.

1. The precision for the aerial bombs used in WWII was measured in hundreds of yards, not single-digit meters such as today.
2. We probably wouldn't even bomb a facility such as this today, because of the risk of collateral damage.

You might be forgetting that the people who wrote this are probably about 19 years old and have grown up with missiles that can be flown through a window. They have no idea that there was a time before laser-guidance.

ETA: You might also ask them what the WWII definition of pinpoint bombing was. Chances are it's different from the WWII bomber pilot's idea. If he got it within 200 yards that was good enough for him.
 
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I *loathe* anti-Semites.

I had a lodge brother once (he passed 7 years ago) who had been at Auschwitz (and two other camps) and who had the tattoo.

Anybody who tells me he was a liar or part of some Jewish Conspiracy to pretend there was a Holocaust when there was not is going to have a real problem with me, I have to tell you.

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... ETA: You might also ask them what the WWII definition of pinpoint bombing was. Chances are it's different from the WWII bomber pilot's idea. If he got it within 200 yards that was good enough for him.

The only really accurate bombing in WW-II was dive-bombing, and that was only really that accurate in the hands of masters like Hans-Ulrich RudelWP.
 
Holocaust happaned. Its a fact. i would claim its an undeniable fact but holocaust deniers are denying facts.

Allied bombings would have killed the Jews and other prisoners. So how does not doing that prove the holocaust didn't happen?

George Bush I was a lowly pilot who followed orders. George Bush II wasn't alive.
 
Never mind what George Bush and the mainstream media have to say this is a more credible answer as to why Auschwitz wasn't bombed -
www.air-photo.com
www.air-photo.com/english/reasons.html

To answer the OP in short and simple terms, it was known, or at least suspected that some American and other Allied POWs were being held in Nazi concentration camps. With a large number of their own people (Allied flyers) having been taken prisoner after being shot down, the air corps was not inclined to target any camp compound that was confirmed or suspected of holding POWs.
Instead of asking GW or today's mainstream media, I would suggest taking a look at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial site.
 
Ask yourself this, what was the maximum range of an Avro Lancaster.
And relative to Britain, how far away was Aushwitz sited ?

Maximum range 2700 nautical miles with minimum bomb load, (thats 1000 nautical miles further than a B17).

What were the priority targets ?

Messerschmitt factories, Porche factories, Opel factories, Daimler, Maybach, Heinkel. Arado, Junkers, Mauser, and other factories which were critical to the German war effort. Some were located in the Ruhr valley area - hence the dambuster raids.

Most were attacked at night, and in the early years, dead reckoning was used to try and find the targets. Many sorties were out by as many as 30 miles.

The death camps were located to make attacks from Britain extremely hard, and were out of range of most of the RAF's aircraft (the USAAF bombers had less range than the RAF's heavy bombers).
Another thing to consider is that in flight refuelling at the time had never been attempted.

Wasting time trying a very long distance raid attacking death camps, was not the top of the list of priorities for RAF Bomber command, and the US Army Airforce had no means of carrying out a raid of that type.
 
Never mind what George Bush and the mainstream media have to say this is a more credible answer as to why Auschwitz wasn't bombed -
www.air-photo.com
www.air-photo.com/english/reasons.html


The truth is that although a few individual members of Jewish groups who had heard the mass-murder rumors, sent letters to other members of their groups to consider bombing, not one official Jewish organization anywhere in the world asked that Birkenau be bombed, because they knew from escaped inmates and spies, and from contacts with the highest levels of the U.S. and British governments, that mass murders were not occurring. [emphasis added]


Letter from the World Jewish Congress to the US War Department:

August 9, 1944

Hon. John J. McCloy
Under Secretary of War
War Department
Washington, D.C.

My dear Mr. Secretary:

I beg to submit to your consideration the following excerpt from a message which we received under date of July 29 from Mr. Ernest Frischer of the Czechoslovak State Council through the War Refugee Board:

"I believe that destruction of gas chambers and crematoria in Oswiecim [Auschwitz] by bombing would have a certain effect now. Germans are now exhuming and burning corpses in an effort to conceal their crimes. This could be prevented by destruction of crematoria and then Germans might possibly stop further mass exterminations especially since so little time is left to them. Bombing of railway communications in this same area would also be of importance and of military interest."

Sincerely yours,

A. Leon Kubowitzki
Head, Rescue Department


From A Holocaust Reader, Copyright 1976 by Lucy S. Dawidowitz, p. 293:

On September 1, 1944, an undersecretary in the British Foreign Office responded as follows to [World Zionist Organization President] Chaim Weizmann's request to Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden that Auschwitz and the rail lines to it be bombed: "The matter received the most careful consideration from the Air Staff, but I am sorry to have to tell you that, in view of the very great technical difficulties involved, we have no option but to refrain from pursuing the proposal in present circumstances."



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