Why Turkey Is Holding Out

[Jedi Knight]

Turkey is holding out and demanding to get a written agreement with the United States because in the first Persian Gulf War, Turkey was left holding the bag so to speak and had to individually deal with all the problems as a border state with one that was invaded (refugees, military action years later against Iraq, etc). Turkey wants a written agreement this time so when the war is over the UN doesn't abandon them like it did last time.

JK

 

[Crossbow]

True enough JK!

The Turks want $ 10 billion, the US says it will only offer $6 billion.

There is a good article in the Washington Post about it.

U.S. Won't Sweeten Aid Offer To Turkey
$6 Billion Offer for Access Is Final, Bush Tells Ankara

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32467-2003Feb19.html

 

[Richard G]

They are offering 6 billion, plus an additional 20 billion in grants. Economics 101, demand is up, so cost goes up.

 

[Tmy]

And here I thought it was an old fashion shakedown!!! What about our allies throwing in some cash???

 

[a_unique_person]

And here I thought it was an old fashion shakedown!!! What about our allies throwing in some cash???

maybe because the coalition of the willing in this case is not a big club. apart from britain, everyone else, such as australia and new europe, is just trying to suck up to the US to get their own snouts in the trough too. They wouldn't be able to raise 1 billion between them.

The reason Turkey wants the cash up front is that last gulf war it was promised compensation for the financial imposition it suffered. Funnilly enough, not all of it turned up.

 

[Crossbow]

Due to the high cost of Allies, and
The ballooning Federal Defict, and
Lack of clear cost estimates for another Gulf War,
Is one of the reasons why I am opposed to another Gulf War.

 

[Kodiak]

Due to the high cost of Allies, and
The ballooning Federal Defict, and
Lack of clear cost estimates for another Gulf War,
Is one of the reasons why I am opposed to another Gulf War.

CHOKE!...LOL!!!

 

[armageddonman]

Turkey wants a written agreement this time so when the war is over the UN doesn't abandon them like it did last time.

JK

Desert storm was sanctioned by the UN, not fought by it.

Get the facts straight only once, please.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Re: Re: Why Turkey Is Holding Out

Desert storm was sanctioned by the UN, not fought by it.

Get the facts straight only once, please.

Desert Storm was fought by the UN. Are you that clueless?

JK

 

[Kodiak]

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Desert Storm was fought by the UN. Are you that clueless?

JK

I think he means that the Gulf War forces were not blue-beret-wearing peacekeepers...

 

[Crossbow]

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Desert Storm was fought by the UN. Are you that clueless?

JK

JK is clueless military combat veteran.

Desert Storm was sanctioned by the UN but the troops wore their own uniforms and answered by their own commanders. The fighting was done by Coalition Forces, not UN Forces.

Come Mr History Degree, you have to get your facts right at least once in a while to appear credible.

 

[Jedi Knight]

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JK is clueless military combat veteran.

Desert Storm was sanctioned by the UN but the troops wore their own uniforms and answered by their own commanders. The fighting was done by Coalition Forces, not UN Forces.

Come Mr History Degree, you have to get your facts right at least once in a while to appear credible.

Look, the uniform doesn't matter. It was a UN coalition that invaded Iraq. That coalition was legally formed via the UN.

You guys need to take a course in UN politics 101.

Also, the Iraqi situation after the war was also a UN-sponsored hostile event. It was all UN mandate and UN resolutions. Iraq has ignored those UN resolutions and that is why the US is deploying there again. The US may not seek UN approval this time. That is much different than the UN war against Iraq the first time.

It has been UN since day one.

So there.

JK

 

[a_unique_person]

Turkey is holding out and demanding to get a written agreement with the United States because in the first Persian Gulf War, Turkey was left holding the bag so to speak and had to individually deal with all the problems as a border state with one that was invaded (refugees, military action years later against Iraq, etc). Turkey wants a written agreement this time so when the war is over the UN doesn't abandon them like it did last time.

JK

it was the US that promised compensation, then didn't pay it all.

 

[Crossbow]

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Look, the uniform doesn't matter. It was a UN coalition that invaded Iraq. That coalition was legally formed via the UN.

You guys need to take a course in UN politics 101.

Also, the Iraqi situation after the war was also a UN-sponsored hostile event. It was all UN mandate and UN resolutions. Iraq has ignored those UN resolutions and that is why the US is deploying there again. The US may not seek UN approval this time. That is much different than the UN war against Iraq the first time.

It has been UN since day one.

So there.

JK

That is much better!

You are getting a large portion of the facts right now. If you would have said something like this at the start I would have no real problem with it.

Good for you!

 

[Jedi Knight]

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it was the US that promised compensation, then didn't pay it all.

Well, you know the US pays for nearly everything anyway. The UN would collapse if we didn't dump our $billions into that bottomless pit.

JK

 

[a_unique_person]

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Well, you know the US pays for nearly everything anyway. The UN would collapse if we didn't dump our $billions into that bottomless pit.

JK

all i'm saying is, don't make promises you can't keep. vietnam is still waiting for promised compensation, victims of the Italy training crash, victims of crime in okinawa, the list gets quite long.

 

[Jedi Knight]

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all i'm saying is, don't make promises you can't keep. vietnam is still waiting for promised compensation, victims of the Italy training crash, victims of crime in okinawa, the list gets quite long.

Well why don't all of you guys take a few hundred million out of the trillions we hand away to the UN every year and go buy yourselves a new condominium.

JK

 

[a_unique_person]

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Well why don't all of you guys take a few hundred million out of the trillions we hand away to the UN every year and go buy yourselves a new condominium.

JK

the US shouldn't make promises it has no intention of keeping. I am not saying it doesn't hand out money. It is just a basic principle, make a bargain and keep it. It tends to build respect and trust.

 

[The Fool]

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Unique...

As a Victorian (my assumption) what do you think of Warnies penalty? Do you swallow the "mummy made me swallow it" defence? My Wife has a theory that he has developed a body image problem and an eating disorder, the abuse of these sort of drugs is common in these sort of people.

ooooooops, does this count as a hijacking of a thread? Maybe I should start a Cricket thread?

Wat do you think Jedi? Do you mind if I discuss sport during your attention seeking? If it is annoying you I will stop.

 

[a_unique_person]

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Unique...

As a Victorian (my assumption) what do you think of Warnies penalty? Do you swallow the "mummy made me swallow it" defence? My Wife has a theory that he has developed a body image problem and an eating disorder, the abuse of these sort of drugs is common in these sort of people.

ooooooops, does this count as a hijacking of a thread? Maybe I should start a Cricket thread?

Wat do you think Jedi? Do you mind if I discuss sport during your attention seeking? If it is annoying you I will stop.

sorry, not much of a cricket fan. but the story he came up with was laughable, and i tend to go with the weight loss idea.

good to see you back, fool. hope all is well with your kid. i have three of my own, and I found birth is a very humbling experience.