Why Truthers have to decide on a story

[1337m4n]

How often does this happen to you: You ask a Truther what his story of 9/11 is; exactly what he thinks happened. And he replies with something along the lines of "You're asking me to speculate" or "I'm just asking questions" or "You don't need to know all the details to know 9/11 was an inside job".

Well, I've got news for y'all Truthers: You sort of do. See, depending on which theory of the events of 9/11 you're using, certain challenges arise, and certain alleged "smoking guns" become completely invalid.

For instance, let's start with a simple question about controlled demolition theory:

Were explosives planted on EVERY floor, or just the impact floors?

If explosives were planted on every floor, you run into a number of challenges:

--You must explain how the building was prepared for demolition so quickly and without anyone noticing
--You must explain why the demolition did not sound at all like any other known demolitions (see Gravy's new video)
--You must explain how such an incredibly huge quantity of explosives got into the building undetected
--You must explain how nobody noticed miles of detcord running through the entire building
--You must explain how the charges could've been detonated with such precision that the appearance of a gravity-driven collapse was maintained
--You must explain why the heck the supposedly intelligent conspirators would plant explosives on every single floor



If, on the other hand, you wish to opt for the "explosives only on the impact floors" theory, then suddenly, all of your "smoking gun evidence" is gone:

--The "squibs" argument is invalid
--The "freefall speed" argument is invalid
--The "pulverization of concrete" argument is invalid
--The "basement explosions" argument is invalid
--The "footprint" argument is invalid
--The "collapse would have slowed down and stopped" argument is invalid
--The "molten steel" argument is invalid (if it wasn't already)
--Saying "But it LOOKED like a controlled demolition" is now even stupider than it already was
--All of your eyewitness reports of secondary explosions count for nothing
--The alleged power-downs on floors far below the impact floors mean nothing


You see what I mean? You have to decide on a story. Otherwise, everything you're saying could be completely meaningless and you wouldn't even know it.

Let's try one more:

What hit the Pentagon?

If it was a missile:

--You have to explain the light pole damage
--You have to explain the generator damage
--You have to explain countless eyewitness reports of a plane
--You have to explain zero eyewitness reports of a missile
--You have to explain the jet fuel getting inside people's lungs
--You have to explain how it penetrated so many rings
--You have to explain the DNA evidence
--You have to explain the presence of a black box



If it was indeed a plane:

--You have no argument, because there's no disagreement with the "official story"



If it was a bomb, detonated at the exact second that a plane which was supposed to fly south of the nearby Citgo but for some reason flew north of it instead, flew over the Pentagon, with the intent to make it appear as though the plane hit when it actually didn't:

--You are Lyte Trip, and you need therapy



So, bottom line Truthers: No more dodging the question when we ask you for your version of events. You've got to make up your mind one way or another if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[uk_dave]

If it was a bomb, detonated at the exact second that a plane which was supposed to fly south of the nearby Citgo but for some reason flew north of it instead, flew over the Pentagon, with the intent to make it appear as though the plane hit when it actually didn't:

--You are Lyte Trip, and you need therapy

 

[Good Lt]

You've got to make up your mind one way or another if you want to be taken seriously.

And even if you make it to that point, it doesn't mean that your version of events will be take seriously. It will merely mean you've reached the "MAX PHOTON" level of believing definitively in a conspiracy scenario and affirming that you believe so.

Once you reach that level, the debunking begins in earnst. But most of the Troofers don't even reach that level, because they're too cowardly to admit to themselves and other that what they believe.

Screaming "9-11 was an inside job" over and over again is not speculation - it's a statement of belief. And as such, providing proof supporting your belief is tantamount to being believed by others.

You troofers seem to be having difficulty with the latter part.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Were explosives planted on EVERY floor, or just the impact floors?

If explosives were planted on every floor, you run into a number of challenges:

--You must explain how the building was prepared for demolition so quickly and without anyone noticing
--You must explain why the demolition did not sound at all like any other known demolitions (see Gravy's new video)
--You must explain how such an incredibly huge quantity of explosives got into the building undetected
--You must explain how nobody noticed miles of detcord running through the entire building
--You must explain how the charges could've been detonated with such precision that the appearance of a gravity-driven collapse was maintained
--You must explain why the heck the supposedly intelligent conspirators would plant explosives on every single floor



If, on the other hand, you wish to opt for the "explosives only on the impact floors" theory, then suddenly, all of your "smoking gun evidence" is gone:

--The "squibs" argument is invalid
--The "freefall speed" argument is invalid
--The "pulverization of concrete" argument is invalid
--The "basement explosions" argument is invalid
--The "footprint" argument is invalid
--The "collapse would have slowed down and stopped" argument is invalid
--The "molten steel" argument is invalid (if it wasn't already)
--Saying "But it LOOKED like a controlled demolition" is now even stupider than it already was
--All of your eyewitness reports of secondary explosions count for nothing
--The alleged power-downs on floors far below the impact floors mean nothing


You see what I mean? You have to decide on a story.

you give them too little credit, this is precisely why they DONT decide on a story, so they can have their cake and eat it too, they can cite all their "smoking gun evidence" while claiming it wouldnt take many people or very long to rig a few floors in the tower, and sadly many people in the world fail to see the contradiction

ETA: its also a defense tactic against being proven wrong, like those lizards with a tail that looks like a head, you debunk a missile at the pentagon, they say it was a plane, you prove it was a 757 they say it wasnt f77, you prove it was f77 they say it was remote controlled, you prove it couldnt be remote controlled they say it was a missile....

 

[~enigma~]

If it was a bomb, detonated at the exact second that a plane which was supposed to fly south of the nearby Citgo but for some reason flew north of it instead, flew over the Pentagon, with the intent to make it appear as though the plane hit when it actually didn't:

--You are Lyte Trip, and you need therapy

Don't forget the sheer impossibility of that scenario. If there was a flyover AND the explosives were detonated when the plane passed we all would have seen a flyover since there is no way, except in an alternate universe with different physical constants, that the fireball and smoke could obscure the plane. If the detonation was before the plane reached the pentagon it would be obscured by the fireball and smoke BUT the turbulence would be clearly visible. In other words Lyte, Aldo and TC are nuts to believe their wet dream.

ETA...this is pretty much the reason why I think CIT and those associated with it are perfect examples of living abortions.

 

[JamesB]

It is Schrodinger's terrorists, their theories can only exist if simultaneously contradictory elements are allowed to co-exist without their contradiction being noted.

 

[~enigma~]

It is Schrodinger's terrorists, their theories can only exist if simultaneously contradictory elements are allowed to co-exist without their contradiction being noted.

You mean as long as there are no observers the truthers exist both ways but when you look at them they collapse into one state?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

It is Schrodinger's terrorists, their theories can only exist if simultaneously contradictory elements are allowed to co-exist without their contradiction being noted.

It reminds me of the scene from that Austin Powers movie where he's about to drive the car through the time machine and asks his boss what will happen with all the paradox's involved in what they are about to do. To which the response is "We feels it's best that ou just enjoy yourself and try not to think about these things. That goes for you too (to the camera)."

 

[CHF]

Twoofers cherish all of their "evidence" and "smoking guns" so much that they can't bear to say goodbye to any of it.

Why? Because for them it's a case of quantity over quality. They figure that having all these "anomalies" is good enough to prove something, even though they couldn't explain what that something is to save their life.

I get the impression that they just love reaching into their sack of talking points and throwing stuff at people with no regard for whether it actually adds up to anything logical.

For example, several times I've encountered twoofers who insist that passenger phone calls were faked and that there were no terrorists on the planes (in fact, several are still alive! )

Yet mere seconds later they tell me that the ISI gave Atta $100,000.

I then ask "What would be the significance of ISI support for terrorists who don't exist?"

This is always followed by a blank stare before they try to switch topics.

Agreeing on a story would force these idiots to face such contradictions and would probably result in them having to disregard a good 75% of their "evidence" in order for their stupid theory to make some degree of sense.

 

[Miragememories]

Great news folks!

As you always expected Santa Claus does indeed exist.

The year 2008 will be a great one.

There is no oil shortage, the earth's core is just full of it.

What else?

Hmmm..all the truthers will realize that believing in only good stuff is best and that questioning 9/11 is not healthy.

The NWO has decided to raise everyone's stipend by 10% this year in appreciation of a job well done.

A special thanks goes out to your leader whose name need not be mentioned...but watch you don't go soft and disagree with him.

MM

 

[Drudgewire]

Hmmm..all the truthers will realize that believing in only good stuff is best and that questioning 9/11 is not healthy.

Questioning anything is healthy. Continuing to question despite no valid reason to whatsoever when every single piece of legitimate evidence that's ever been presented points in the other direction?

Well, that's not necessarily unhealthy either... but it's pretty dumb.

 

[CHF]

So what do you think happened on 9/11, MM?

What's your story?

 

[PhantomWolf]

The NWO has decided to raise everyone's stipend by 10% this year in appreciation of a job well done.

Well with a raise of just 10% of nothing, I guess they can afford it without raising taxes.

 

[AMTMAN]

If it was a bomb, detonated at the exact second that a plane which was supposed to fly south of the nearby Citgo but for some reason flew north of it instead, flew over the Pentagon, with the intent to make it appear as though the plane hit when it actually didn't:

--You are Lyte Trip, and you need therapy

.

No amount of therapy can help him at this point.

 

[dudalb]

The NWO has decided to raise everyone's stipend by 10% this year in appreciation of a job well done.

Damn bunch of cheapskates!
I am going to complain to Internet Shills Union,Local 528.

 

[1337m4n]

Hmmm..all the truthers will realize that believing in only good stuff is best and that questioning 9/11 is not healthy.

It's not so much that they question 9/11. It's that instead of searching for answers to those questions, they just make up their own answers.

 

[Good Lt]

The NWO has decided to raise everyone's stipend by 10% this year in appreciation of a job well done.

LOL

A tacit admission that the Troof movement is dying.

Thanks, MM!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Great news folks!

As you always expected Santa Claus does indeed exist.

The year 2008 will be a great one.

There is no oil shortage, the earth's core is just full of it.

What else?

Hmmm..all the truthers will realize that believing in only good stuff is best and that questioning 9/11 is not healthy.

The NWO has decided to raise everyone's stipend by 10% this year in appreciation of a job well done.

A special thanks goes out to your leader whose name need not be mentioned...but watch you don't go soft and disagree with him.

MM

we'll add these statements to the pile

 

[1337m4n]

we'll add these statements to the pile

We have a pile?

 

[nicepants]

Twoofers cherish all of their "evidence" and "smoking guns" so much that they can't bear to say goodbye to any of it.

Why? Because for them it's a case of quantity over quality. They figure that having all these "anomalies" is good enough to prove something, even though they couldn't explain what that something is to save their life.

I definitely see this attitude with twoofers. What they fail to realize is that ONE...just ONE piece of incontrovertible proof of their theory is worth 100x more than ALL of their other talking points....but since they don't have that sniper rifle...they're going for the shotgun approach......with rubber bands.