Why Trump ?

Upchurch said:
Clinton has decades of relevant experience. Trump ...er, was on TV for a while?
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But not the executive experience Trump has. He on the other hand will be surrounded by advisors who have the experience Hillary has.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Let's put Chance the gardener in charge of flying the airplane and conducting open heart surgery and teaching all the kids to read, rite and rith! Makes about as much sense, regardless of the pretzely mental contortions it requires to arrive at the decision.
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With our separation of powers, there's a limit to the damage an incompetent president can do. We've had bad presidents before and we'll have them again.

Trump really could be Chance the gardener. It wouldn't make a different to a lot of Trump supporters. The goal is not to elect Trump, but to fundamentally change the established parties. Trump is seen as a means, not an end.
 
logger said:
It's hilarious to read that you think Trump is a fascist. That position is more suited to politicians on the left since they are willing to commingle business and government, Obamacare being your clue. Leftists claim Trump has no concrete positions, yet somehow he's already a fascist.
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Fascism knows no position on the left-right spectrum. It is all about power for the sake of power. It's about focusing on the leadership, believing that the strength of a country is reflected in the political power of its leader. It's about sacrificing diversity, tolerance, and individuality, of viewing the ideal nation as consisting of a homogeneous mass of easily molded, anonymous unpeople. It's about violence, oppression, scapegoating and murder. It is about valuing nothing but crushing your foes in an endless struggle, of seeing cooperation as a sign of weakness.

If fascism comes to the highest office in America, it will look like Donald Trump.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
I really see no need to explain people voting for Trump with anything other than the fact that they agree with his positions and think he'd make a great president. It's usually the case that a lot of people are shocked that anyone would support a fascist or fascistoid policies, but the fact of the matter is that they have historically enjoyed great popularity under certain conditions.
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The highlighted is misleading, since aside from the silly wall, Trump has no positions that he doesn't contradict later. So, let us amend it to read:

agree with his positions on some particular day, hour, or portion of a sentence.​
 
logger said:
But not the executive experience Trump has.
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Running companies into the ground, cheating contractors, and defrauding the public? Not exactly a confidence booster. Maybe the Kardashian would be a better choice...

Who, exactly, are these advisors you're referring to?
 
I would never vote for a Republican, but I would rather have Trump than Ted Cruz, as long as we had a Congress to deal with Trump.
 
Tero said:
I would never vote for a Republican, but I would rather have Trump than Ted Cruz, as long as we had a Congress to deal with Trump.
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I would absolutely vote for a Republican, if it were the right Republican or his main opponent were as disastrous as, oh, I don't know, Trump.

I think partisan views like yours are simply mind-boggling. Each presidential election is one between two (or conceivably more, though practically not) candidates. I'll choose between those two, parties be damned.

I could've voted for McCain back in 2000, though I'm afraid he lost me in 2008.
 
Fudbucker said:
I swear some of you have never met a rational Trump supporter. They exist, trust me. They don't necessarily like Trump, but they do a risk/reward assessment, like we all do, and they decide that the risk of Trump is worth the reward of tearing down the established political order, which they see as having totally sold out the American people.
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What you're describing is decidedly not rational, it's not sensible, and it has no chance of resulting in any real change.

If Trump is a true disaster as President, he'll be impeached/forced to resign. It wouldn't change a damn thing about the US government and it sure as hell wouldn't "[tear] down the established political order." It would be a lot of sound and fury with a bit of chaos that, at the end of the day, would signify nothing but the stupidity of the United States electorate.

Honestly, there is not a bit of logic in what you're describing. Anyone who would think that way is a moron.
 
Tero said:
I would never vote for a Republican, but I would rather have Trump than Ted Cruz, as long as we had a Congress to deal with Trump.
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I held that position for a long time but honestly, I no longer do. There is a certain level where you can actually (sometimes) reason with a fundie. You have to argue on their ground using their terms but there is, buried in there somewhere, an inherent Judeo-Christian morality.

Trump's just a power-slut. His pragmatism is geared towards getting what Trump wants because what Trump wants must be right, since he is, after all, Trump. You cannot count on anyone being able to reason such a person off of a position. Look at his Birther position. He will not walk it back. He actually thinks he can get by with "I don't discuss that any more"? It's the same b.s. as his "Gee, I'm sorry if I hurt some people" non-apology. And I'll bet that if pressed in an interview or the debates, he'll try the same sort of dodge as his Birther denialism. "I made some mistakes, or some mistakes were made and I admit that but I no longer discuss that."
 
True, as far as any foreign relations go. It would be an interesting experiment with Trump for a year. He would screw up enough in 4 years we would need to get rid of him before that, impeach or whatever. Prime ministers are easier to get rid of.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Bernie Madoff had decades of relevant experience as well.
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I think you moved that into the wrong column. Madoff is a much more apt comparison with Trump, his decades of experience being in Trump's field: separating investors from their money and not paying the piper when the time comes.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I think you moved that into the wrong column. Madoff is a much more apt comparison with Trump, his decades of experience being in Trump's field: separating investors from their money and not paying the piper when the time comes.
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In fact, I'm sure Madoff looks forward to his pardon to serve in Trump's cabinet. He's just the guy to secure funding for all those projects of Trump's presidency that "people, investors" are to pay for.
 
There is an asymmetry in the constructive and destructive powers the president has: to affect real domestic change, he does need congressional approval.
But for sending troops, harassing journalists, pissing off foreign dignitaries and other shenanigans are entirely possible by executive order alone.
 
phiwum said:
The highlighted is misleading, since aside from the silly wall, Trump has no positions that he doesn't contradict later. So, let us amend it to read:

agree with his positions on some particular day, hour, or portion of a sentence.​
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That's fair enough. The point is, a significant portion of the electorate like to hear bigotry and racism, and an equally large or even greater one is unconcerned by it.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Bernie Madoff had decades of relevant experience as well.
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Foolmewunz said:
I think you moved that into the wrong column. Madoff is a much more apt comparison with Trump, his decades of experience being in Trump's field: separating investors from their money and not paying the piper when the time comes.
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Yeah, I'm sorry. I thought that was obvious. Madoff had no public service experience, that I am aware of, and certainly none in any executive branch, let alone The Executive Branch.

Which, of course, is entirely different from being a corporate executive. Does one skill set translate well from one role to the other? I honestly couldn't say.
 
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