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Why Stop Sylvia Brown?

agnosticexgnostic said:
I agree there are some Browne followers who stubbornly refuse to consider the evidence, but in my experience they make up a small percentage of her fan base. There are others who know the truth but continue to support her - her staff and many of her ministers for example - but again they are relatively few. IMHO (formed while I was a minister and since RSL's work has started) much of her fan base can be swayed provided they have access to solid information such as that being presented by RSL.

Oh, and thanks Hawthorne!

Ian
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Exactly, if you only ever hear that she is some great psychic, and not that she is a convicted felon, it is much easier to go on believing.
 
Hi I'm hoping someone can help me out here. A part of my original quote on this thread has been used several times by other members.

"I think one of the most important reasons to stop Sylvia Browne is to show the general public how easily they can be scammed. It will hopefully make someone think twice before paying extortionate amounts of money to someone who's nothing more than a carnival sideshow".

I'm only new on the Jref and maybe I'm reading it wrong but I feel that my quote is being misread somehow. I'm very anti-Sylvia Browne. I'm hoping that all my quotes show this. I firmly believe the general public should see it and if it helps one person from being fooled by this dreadful woman it's done its job. Like I say it could be me :oldroll: but I just wanted to clarify things
 
dustbunny said:
I'm only new on the Jref and maybe I'm reading it wrong but I feel that my quote is being misread somehow. I'm very anti-Sylvia Browne. I'm hoping that all my quotes show this.
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I think your post was clear, db.

King of the Americas said:
What is a "lulz"?
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As best I can tell, it is net-speak for "laughs."

It seems to be a corruption of LOLs.
 
As the owner of a small bookstore in a small town in Alberta, I can tearfully attest to the popularity of Browne's printed dreck, Tapman, and "no one believes her nonsense" is wildly inaccurate. In fact, the entire "new age" section is one of the more profitable sellers in general, which constantly sets my teeth on edge and is the reason that I drink......
 
bickerer said:
As the owner of a small bookstore in a small town in Alberta, I can tearfully attest to the popularity of Browne's printed dreck, Tapman, and "no one believes her nonsense" is wildly inaccurate. In fact, the entire "new age" section is one of the more profitable sellers in general, which constantly sets my teeth on edge and is the reason that I drink......
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Just make up a stack of small bookmark strips and insert them in all the SB literature...

...with a lovely www.stopsylviabrowne.com motif, of course!

And blame meddling smart-ass kids if anyone calls you on it :)

Oh, and then engage the complaintant in a debate about the SSB site, and innocently ask if it's as jam-packed with "facts" as it claims to be. :D
 
RSLancastr said:
As with the StopKaz site before it, the StopSylviaBrowne site is mainly aimed at getting the word out so that people can find the truth about her, if they are so inclined.

It is more about getting as many people as possible to stop believing in Browne, than it is actually stopping Browne. And I think the site has made some headway in that regard. YMMV.

First, that is a broad-brush statement, and like most such statements, it is not correct. I get emails nearly every day from people thanking me for providing the information that convinced them that Browne is a fraud. Certainly, some percentage of them go on to believe in some other fraud, but others, having been shown that they were fooled by Browne, try to be more discerning the next time.

So, what is the alternative? Do nothing? Snigger from the sidelines at those who fall for her con?

When the news does a story exposing the latest scam, do you sigh and say "What's the use? Scams have been going on for centuries! Why warn anybody about them? They'll just fall for some other con tomorrow!"

Put another way: Do you think that James Randi been wasting the past several decades of his life?
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I have to agree somewhat with Agulars point that psychic scams like Sylvia's has been going on for century's. Even though you show someone the light regarding her scam there will be 10 people step up willing to give her money. Doesn't mean we stop shining that light but there will be those that will never believe Sylvia's a con artist. All you can do is your best and hope peoples common sense takes hold!
 
tiger said:
I have to agree somewhat with Agulars point that psychic scams like Sylvia's has been going on for century's. Even though you show someone the light regarding her scam there will be 10 people step up willing to give her money. Doesn't mean we stop shining that light but there will be those that will never believe Sylvia's a con artist. All you can do is your best and hope peoples common sense takes hold!
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Evidence? Have you done studies, or do you know of any studies to support your assertion that for every one who sees "the light regarding her scam there will be 10 people step up willing to give her money" which you can share with us?

I believe that, once one person "sees the light," they will share the light with many others who share the belief they once had. I have no "evidence," no studies to back up my belief, only my own experience which forms my opinion. But I have seen quite the reverse of what you contend. I have seen this on RSL's website, in the many emails he has received and has shared with me and not put up on the site, and in sharing "the light" with many people I know, who then become convinced and, in turn, share "the light" with many people they know.

If we begin to think it's "futile" to share "the light," we put ourselves right back at square one. If we look down our noses at those who "believe," no one will listen to us anyway. SSB is making headway, as will SJE, SBH, SKT and the many other sites RSL will soon be putting together. And guess what? As long as you change your condescending tone and can back up your assertions with research, even YOU may be able to submit an article about one of these "nasty" people, and perhaps change someone's life for the better.
 
RSL's better half said:
Evidence? Have you done studies, or do you know of any studies to support your assertion that for every one who sees "the light regarding her scam there will be 10 people step up willing to give her money" which you can share with us?

I believe that, once one person "sees the light," they will share the light with many others who share the belief they once had. I have no "evidence," no studies to back up my belief, only my own experience which forms my opinion. But I have seen quite the reverse of what you contend. I have seen this on RSL's website, in the many emails he has received and has shared with me and not put up on the site, and in sharing "the light" with many people I know, who then become convinced and, in turn, share "the light" with many people they know.

If we begin to think it's "futile" to share "the light," we put ourselves right back at square one. If we look down our noses at those who "believe," no one will listen to us anyway. SSB is making headway, as will SJE, SBH, SKT and the many other sites RSL will soon be putting together. And guess what? As long as you change your condescending tone and can back up your assertions with research, even YOU may be able to submit an article about one of these "nasty" people, and perhaps change someone's life for the better.
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I am not contending anything I was saying quite frankly that I agreed with the poster to a degree that this scam has been going on for a long long time. Harry Houdini did everything he could to stop this scam and even though he exposed alot of them the scam continues. So maybe you should have read what I wrote instead of coming on here and acting stupid! I also commended Robert for his work and I fully support it but you can't just say your turning every head away from Sylvia because there are those that are going to believe her no matter what. Maybe you should feel just a bit silly about this you think! I t does appear Sylvia is still making alot of money and alot of people are still showing up for her shows paying $100.00 and some dollars a pop!
 
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RSL's better half said:
Evidence? Have you done studies, or do you know of any studies to support your assertion that for every one who sees "the light regarding her scam there will be 10 people step up willing to give her money" which you can share with us?
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Look at the ongoing sucess of pyramid schemes. The fundimental core of most scams remains constant. The details change. Even goverments with their considerable resources have been unable to stop pyramid schemes. "Women Empowering Women" finaly dies but the same scheme turns up as "Liberty" in Ireland (and as "Diamond" and "Women's Investment Syndicate" in the UK again despite the Gambling Act 2005).


The various spiritalist and new age money makers are just the new spin on the more avarus holy men of the middle ages.

Heh we've found archaeological evidence of how some of the priestly scams in ancient greece worked. Ultimately you are up against something older than your civilisation.

If we begin to think it's "futile" to share "the light," we put ourselves right back at square one.
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Only if you take the view that just because you can't win you should not fight.
 
tiger said:
I am not contending anything I was saying quite frankly that I agreed with the poster to a degree that this scam has been going on for a long long time. Harry Houdini did everything he could to stop this scam and even though he exposed alot of them the scam continues.
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Not dirrectly comparible. Firstly Houdini didn't really concentrate on one individual and his actions were not able to atchive the same latency as a website.

It does appear Sylvia is still making alot of money and alot of people are still showing up for her shows paying $100.00 and some dollars a pop!
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Power of TV mostly. However damage limitation is posible and RSL's website likely disrupts the flow of new recruites as well as damageing the core memebership.

With the loss of the Montel Williams Show Sylvia Brown is going to have a harder time of things and the website becomes more of a problem.
 
tiger said:
I am not contending anything I was saying quite frankly that I agreed with the poster to a degree that this scam has been going on for a long long time. Harry Houdini did everything he could to stop this scam and even though he exposed alot of them the scam continues. So maybe you should have read what I wrote instead of coming on here and acting stupid! I also commended Robert for his work and I fully support it but you can't just say your turning every head away from Sylvia because there are those that are going to believe her no matter what. Maybe you should feel just a bit silly about this you think! I t does appear Sylvia is still making alot of money and alot of people are still showing up for her shows paying $100.00 and some dollars a pop!
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Oooh. I'm "stupid." You made the statement. I just repeated it. And, did you read all of my post? Where did I say SSB or I is/am "turning every head away from Sylvia?" Hmm. I did say SSB is making headway. Perhaps you took that to mean every head was being turned. If you'll take it, I'll give you that.

I'll also give you that you have been somewhat supportive of SSB. Even though you agree with Agular that it is a futile attempt?

I have not called you any names, why did you feel the need to call me "stupid?" That's no way to win an argument.

As for "people" still showing up at SB's "shows," yes, a good many still are. But, between 100 and 120 butts in the seats for a Vegas show? You don't think her small audience is partly a result of the website, mixed with a lot of bad press lately, of course? You really don't think the truth can spread like wildfire, the same way a lie can?
 
I agree with dustbunny and others here who've argued that if even one person is saved from falling for Sylvia's scams, the work is worth it.

Will SSB bring down Sylvia's empire? Maybe not. And even if it does, there will always be other scam artists popping up to take her place, and plenty of people who will continue to believe silly things and fall for the scams.

We all do what we can. Thanks to his hard work, RSL and his associates have saved quite a few people from wasting their money, taking bad medical advice, screwing up their relationships, etcetera. That may not seem like a big deal from the outside, but to those individual people, it may well be very, very significant.

And that's even without taking into account the increased media attention her mistakes have been getting these days.
 
RSL's better half said:
Oooh. I'm "stupid." You made the statement. I just repeated it. And, did you read all of my post? Where did I say SSB or I is/am "turning every head away from Sylvia?" Hmm. I did say SSB is making headway. Perhaps you took that to mean every head was being turned. If you'll take it, I'll give you that.

I'll also give you that you have been somewhat supportive of SSB. Even though you agree with Agular that it is a futile attempt?

I have not called you any names, why did you feel the need to call me "stupid?" That's no way to win an argument.

As for "people" still showing up at SB's "shows," yes, a good many still are. But, between 100 and 120 butts in the seats for a Vegas show? You don't think her small audience is partly a result of the website, mixed with a lot of bad press lately, of course? You really don't think the truth can spread like wildfire, the same way a lie can?
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Can you read! Go back and read what I wrote and then you will understand, maybe! You just seem to be looking for a fight where none exists. No but you attacked for no reason...right and your misrepresenting what I said!
 
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borealys said:
I agree with dustbunny and others here who've argued that if even one person is saved from falling for Sylvia's scams, the work is worth it.

Will SSB bring down Sylvia's empire? Maybe not. And even if it does, there will always be other scam artists popping up to take her place, and plenty of people who will continue to believe silly things and fall for the scams.

We all do what we can. Thanks to his hard work, RSL and his associates have saved quite a few people from wasting their money, taking bad medical advice, screwing up their relationships, etcetera. That may not seem like a big deal from the outside, but to those individual people, it may well be very, very significant.

And that's even without taking into account the increased media attention her mistakes have been getting these days.
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Well said! We aren't going to help everyone but we do what we can!
 
Folks please try and remember your Membership Agreement and whilst discussions can get heated try not to personalize the discussion.
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Just like we (as a society) stop thieves from robbing people and murderers from whacking people, we should stop the thieves that lie, cheat, and steal from people who give their consent...just because they open the door to these criminals doesn't make it any less wrong.
 
As a newby here I just want to say how impressed I am by a lot of what other members have written. I really do believe that Robert Lancaster's website and forums like this make a marked difference in helping the general public. I also believe that Sylvia Browne is worried that finally she's got credible opposition doing their best to educate the needy and grieving. It has to start somewhere and thankfully it has.
 
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