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Why (Some) People Believe Weird Things

I've found, and I don't know if it's from my woo influenced background or not, but it probably is, that I have to make a mental effort not to believe some of these things.
Or attempt to find meaning in things that are basically meaningless.
My parents (despite being nominally Christian) have impressed on me the idea of Karma, and I've been unable to shake it off.
 
Some of the people who believe in weird things are, yes indeed, just plain stupid.

However, there are other sources and motives for these beliefs. Stupidity isn't always to blame. It may be part of the reason but not the entire reason. Or it may not be the reason at all.

Some people like the fun of woo. Yes, it is fun to believe in these things.

Some people are down on their luck.

Some are lonely or depressed and acting out of that.

Some have other personal problems that lead them to woo.

Some are greedy (multi level marketing, Nigerian scams, Feng Shui, etc.)

Some are held to these beliefs by the ties of friends and family (UFO hunters often form close bonds, churches and Bible study groups are often the source of close human bonds and the center of communities, Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot seekers are really using it as a reason to camp and boat with their fellow club members, conspiracy theorists often become close friends with one another, etc.)

Some people (like the parents of missing children who turn to police psychics) are desperate.

Some are just plain mentally ill.

Some are not exactly stupid but naive and gullible. As James Randi once said, you can be quite intelligent without being very smart.

Some believe in this because they were raised in an environment and household which put these ideas into their head at a young age and they've never been able to shake that kind of mentality.

And some, like your friends, just find it a nice and comforting thought that takes the major decisions in their lives out of their hands. And a glimpse into the future, something we would all like.

Maybe a sense of control. Another thing we would all like.
 
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Another, and I only speak from personal experience, is that it is just more interesting/fun to believe in magic than it is to deny it.
Well, to a point I suppose. Gambling is fun (for me), and it is fun to try to conjur up magical powers in an attempt to influence the shuffling of a deck of cards or the roll of a die. But to cede control over ones life, over the entire workings of the universe, would seem rather not-fun to me. The idea of it would invoke constant fear and give me nightmares. I think the benevolent God message that Christian culture has imbued makes my friends less fearful that God is just toying with us as a form of amusement, but Heaven and Hell is on the line (for some people), or if they are of more of a "new age" bent, their personal happiness and that of those around them to correctly interpret the signs to live in accord with God's will.

But I do agree that their approach to these pseudo-religions, like yoga, The Kaballah, or following Meher Baba, is childlike and gives them the gleam in their eye that a child might have when figuring out the rules to a game.

I disagree.
Well, one friend that I was thinking of was a software and networking whiz, a Vice President of Information Technology at a Fortune 500 corporation who left to start his own online software business that is doing quite well and taken on several employees. Another is a Director of Intelligence Support, serving in a civilian capacity to the US Army Counter-terrorism units in Afghanistan and The Sudan. Others are successful in many other ways. They are not stupid people. (I think Brian Dunning summed up my thoughts about this issue pretty well in his Skeptoid podcast "Sarah Palin Is Not Stupid" a few months ago.)

I think that it's possible to be intelligent by the ordinary standard and still be a flake. It comes down to being sloppy over particular categories, especially with respect to the separation of subjectivity and objectivity.
I agree. But I think if you go into the observation with the preconceived notion that "everything has a meaning" you might see the line between this too as a bit blurrier. A chemist might, after years of study, both theoretical and practical, have an understanding of how the molecular structure of a compound determines the properties of that compound; similarly the casting of I Ching sticks is influenced by what they see as an objective sequence of unmeasurable forces initiated and influenced by God.
 
In a nutshell woo is fun. Sitting around a Quijah board and "contacting" some spirit gives a person the same feeling they get when they watch a Vampire movie. Tarot cards the same thing. Ghost hunting is fun. Going to old cemetaries and houses is scary on a controlled level. They don't want to see the coldlight of scientific reasoning. They enjoy what they are doing too much.
 
Yep.

We're all stupid, which is why it's such hard work not to do stupid things.
Well put. Skepticism is not a particularly lazy way to live one's life.

Point is, a belief shouldn't be considered as a measuring pole for intelligence.
I don't know if I'm taking about "intelligence" as measureable by any objective standard (like an IQ test for example.) I know that they aren't stupid by having relationships with various people who are clever, witty, well-read, well-spoken, and successful in their lives but they also believe in ridiculous things.

I prefer to judge people on their accomplishments to enhance their position in life (or the objective universe in general) then to judge them on their beliefs and ideas. (Admitted I take the ideas and beliefs into account to say he/she is really that intelligent..).
Yes, accomplishments are part of it. But so is the ability to do a hard crossword puzzle, or bring up good points in a conversation about politics, or recommend good writers to me.

On another note: why would people belief in things such as paranormal forces/entities/gods?
I'm reading an excellent book by Daniel Dennett called "Breaking The Spell" which attempts to answer precisely that question.

Rather than stupid, I would call such person irrational.
Nah. We all act irrationally at times.

stupid is as stupid does
Thank you Forrest.

It is human nature to seek an escape. Some resent their daily, boring routines so they find somewhat crazy hobbies or interests to tend to such an escape. Just like you may, perhaps, day dream or fantasize, they to do the same but through different means; beleiving in weird things.

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Thanks, and welcome to the forum! Yes, I do see it as sort of a hobby, just as some might go to Church solely for the social aspect and come out with the fear of God in them. But I don't see relaxation as the motivation for it. They are honestly looking for answers and meaning, and are susceptible to someone else's claimed expertise that they have found meaning and have some answers for them.

Nice post, there are many reasons why people do this, first off the brain looks for patterns and meanings and creates them all the time, so part of it is just the byproduct of that, then there is the whole emotions/intuition thing.

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Also sometimes being smart isn’t all it is cracked up to be.
I think skeptics are as subject to pareidolia as believers but we are just more aware of its influence. We just take one more step and ask - is it pareidolia or is something important? I agree about the last line wholeheartedly. Some of you are quite insufferable to smart people like me, and it makes life rather painful at times.;)
 
A while back I read an article on how smart people are better than not so smart people at convincing themselves of an irrational belief. It was found that smarter folks have better tools to rationalize their beliefs.
A friend of mine that I've know for over 30 years would be a good example of the smart person believing in weird things.
Very true. When an "expert" is wrong on something they are far more stubborn and unwilling to admit their error than a layman. My wife is an English major and we have gotten into knock-down drag-outs about grammar. :)

Sometimes we try to put together concepts that are simply unconnected, a process that leads to faulty thinking (and in extreme cases, obession and mental illness). Other times we sense that such connections must exist, but for whatever reason we fail to grasp what they actually are -- and thus when presented with a shortcut (for instance "God did it") we accept it into our thinking. Thus connection by connection, we construct a world view in which we have perfect confidence, for which we see proof everywhere, which for many people is perfectly workable, comforting, and satisfying.
Nicely put. I think that because different pseudosciences touch on different types of claims, I can't sum it up with interconnectedness. It's like there is a complete pseudoscientific toolkit to answer every possible different type of question or human need. Like Handwriting Analysis, Palmistry or Birth Sign Astrology might claim to describe ones' personality traits (and perhaps make recommendations about what other types of general people one might seek as a romantic or business partner), where Tarot or psychic readings might seek advice for a particular decision, and talismans, prayer or other superstitious activities are more of a general "good luck and ward off the evil eye" kind of thing. Judeo-Christian-Muslim doctrine, as I generally understand them, make other forms of superstition taboo - not necessarily because they are false, but because they threaten the primacy of the One True God in one's decision-making process (and presumably one's economic well being - if they are spending money on this other crap there will be less to give to the Church.) All this is to say that there's not just a single, unifying influence of Religion per se, but more of a reliance on mysticism to seek all kinds of information and advice.

Then someone comes along and insists "God didn't do it," and suddenly all those connections, and the belief system upon which they rest, are called into question -- more that that, accepting this one seemingly simple fact instantly puts everything at risk of total collapse, forcing the person to give up cherished ideas and basically start all over, in a world they may well find bereft of all former comforts. It takes rare intellectual courage to do that sort of thing, and many simply are not up to it and probably never will be.
I tend to avoid challenging the overall naivety of the world view because it would be so draining on our friendship, but I do ask skeptical questions about the "discoveries" they make.

My parents (despite being nominally Christian) have impressed on me the idea of Karma, and I've been unable to shake it off.
Now this might sound kind of "woo" to some here, but I don't have this huge objection to this notion of Karma. Or course I think the way that it has been institutionalized in Hinduism is just silly, but I think there is some merit to the notion that our actions have influence on the whole universe in ways that may not be predictable. I'm also fond of the Hindu concept of Atman - the notion that "we all come from the exact same piece of stuff and are all still interconnected pieces of it." Actions which divide us from each other (like racism, exploitation of the poor, etc.) are in opposition to our interconectedness, and thus unnatural perversions which we need to try to eliminate. But I certainly claim no scientific primacy to that personal philosophy - it just fits in neatly with my own view of how the universe is constructed.

Some of the people who believe in weird things are, yes indeed, just plain stupid.

However, there are other sources and motives for these beliefs. Stupidity isn't always to blame. It may be part of the reason but not the entire reason. Or it may not be the reason at all.

Some people like the fun of woo. Yes, it is fun to believe in these things.

Some people are down on their luck.

Some are lonely or depressed and acting out of that.

Some have other personal problems that lead them to woo.

Some are greedy (multi level marketing, Nigerian scams, Feng Shui, etc.)

Some are held to these beliefs by the ties of friends and family (UFO hunters often form close bonds, churches and Bible study groups are often the source of close human bonds and the center of communities, Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot seekers are really using it as a reason to camp and boat with their fellow club members, conspiracy theorists often become close friends with one another, etc.)

Some people (like the parents of missing children who turn to police psychics) are desperate.

Some are just plain mentally ill.

Some are not exactly stupid but naive and gullible. As James Randi once said, you can be quite intelligent without being very smart.

Some believe in this because they were raised in an environment and household which put these ideas into their head at a young age and they've never been able to shake that kind of mentality.

And some, like your friends, just find it a nice and comforting thought that takes the major decisions in their lives out of their hands. And a glimpse into the future, something we would all like.

Maybe a sense of control. Another thing we would all like.
Great examples.

In a nutshell woo is fun. Sitting around a Quijah board and "contacting" some spirit gives a person the same feeling they get when they watch a Vampire movie. Tarot cards the same thing. Ghost hunting is fun. Going to old cemetaries and houses is scary on a controlled level. They don't want to see the coldlight of scientific reasoning. They enjoy what they are doing too much.
Absolutely. I would think there to be a significant difference between attempts to understand the real world (like Quija Boards) and pure escapist fiction like vampire and zombie movies, solely intended as entertainment, but I must be mistaken about the line there. For example my wife watches every ghosthunter show she can find (and believe me, there are plenty) but doesn't believe them for a second. I can't sit in the same room as her during these, as I find them so abysmally stupid, and, moreover, poisonous. But she just loves 'em because they are creepy and scary and fun. But to be honest I don't really like vampire movies either (though I won't refuse a good zombie movie.) It's when the fun is over, and its influence extends into what should be rational decisions in ones life that I am attributing to the notion that "God brought it to me, therefore it has value."
 
Great examples.

Why, thank you. :blush:

A lot of woo is also about the need for attention and inflating the sense of one's importance. Also the appeal of esoteric knowledge and being "in the know" and part of an inner circle.

People who claim to be possessed by evil spirits, people who claim to have been abducted by aliens, people who believe in past lives, people who claim to have witnessed miracles or to have been the recipients of miracles all fall into this category.

Your friends may also have fallen victim to this: "God is speaking to me through tea leaves/horoscopes/psychics/other!".

Then there is the "cool" factor. If woo was real, it would be very, very cool.
 
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It is human nature to seek an escape. Some resent their daily, boring routines so they find somewhat crazy hobbies or interests to tend to such an escape. Just like you may, perhaps, day dream or fantasize, they to do the same but through different means; beleiving in weird things.
I think there's a difference between escapism and magical thinking.

my first post ever hehe (:
And you are already up to 80. :)
 
I agree. ;)
If people believe stupid things, they are, by definition, stupid.
Saying they are not is akin to saying someone can run a sub-4-minute-mile, but she's not fast.

No, it would be more akin to saying that person isn't fast because she leisurely walked a mile on her lunch hour.
 
She posted a lot in a short time.

I think you just blew your credibility as an arbiter of the rational.

Not at all.
If one posts 100 times in one minute, the 101st post is still the 101st post.
 
Not at all.
If one posts 100 times in one minute, the 101st post is still the 101st post.

The post count shown is the current post count, not the count at the time the post was made.
 

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