Why should I not hate God?

[Rasmus]

Satan cannot usurp God. That was the hubristic notion that led to his fall. The creation can never surpass the Creator.

That's okay: We'll just get chariots made from iron and we'll be safe.

 

[Eric D]

I've read every bitter, hate-filled post up to this point, and I say this to you all:

God loves you.

Awwwwwwww, and after we were being so mean to him!

He loves His children so much that He Himself consented to take form on Earth, live as a mortal man, and die an entirely UNdeserved death to heal the breach that we fallen humans created by our own disobedience. He stands ready to welcome each of you back into His family even as I type this.

It's up to you to put aside hate, and pride, and rebellion and accept that freely offered Gift.

If any of you wind up in Hell, it will be entirely by your choice. Even Satan will have to admit his own guilt at the Final Day, and proclaim the Judgement of God to be Righteous and True.

You're saying that God loves us so much that he put his son (who is also God himself) on earth in human form to be tortured and killed so that we, who were born 2000 years or so AFTER the event, could be forgiven for our disobedience. These are the ramblings of a crazy man. If it wasn't for the shield of religion, every believer would be committed to a mental hospital.

Imagine if I were in love with a woman who's never met me because I'm always watching her every move from a distance. One day while I'm stalking her I get it in my mind that she's somehow disobeyed me. Maybe she ate a piece of fruit or talked to another man's penis... the details aren't important, what's important is that she ignored the cryptic messages I left on her doorstep. Anyway I decide I'm going to make myself known to her, and torture myself in front of her to absolve her sins. I do this because I love her. Only I don't do that to the girl I've been stalking, I do it to another woman, because after all, if one woman disobeys me then they're all guilty. Am I likable in any way? Could you blame anyone for thinking I'm a psychopath?

Oh, but who am I? Only God gets to do this because he's more betterer than me!

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Even Satan will have to admit his own guilt at the Final Day, and proclaim the Judgement of God to be Righteous and True.

Perhaps, but even God will get what's coming to Him at The End.

"[I am] As old as God, maybe older. Neither of us can remember anymore. Life, death, chicken, egg. Regardless, at the end, I'll reap him too... Oh yes. God will die too" - Death

 

[Orphia Nay]

Why should I not hate God?

Because he doesn't exist.

 

[HansMustermann]

Satan cannot usurp God. That was the hubristic notion that led to his fall. The creation can never surpass the Creator.

I've read every bitter, hate-filled post up to this point, and I say this to you all:

God loves you.

Actually, I'll go with that, because THAT pretense is what makes it all creepy and deranged. I'm expected to believe basically that

- Jebus loves me (woot, so when is he coming to ask me out? Should I put on a dress and high heels for the occasion?)

- but somehow can't come say it personally, he has to send some fundie to tell me that Jebus loves me (what is he, some kind of high scholl nerd, sending "I love you" notes through other people? would he get a nose bleed if he told me in person he loves me?)

- and he's watching me all the time, even when I'm in the shower or sleeping or, God forbid, touching myself (err... so... he's a stalker then?)

- and he already has plans how to torture me horribly if he doesn't think I love him enough (wait, when't we move into creepy psycho stalker territory?)

- like he already did to countless people before who, he thought, didn't love him enough (definitely psycho)

- even to a bunch of people he was telling at the time that they're his BFFs, but he knew it's not really true, because the thing that would allow him to forgive them hadn't happened yet (psycho AND a liar, eh?)

- but I might get off the hook if I beg and grovel convincingly enough (wait, what?)

- and it's all because a woman once broke his heart by doing the tiniest thing against his wishes, and he's been distrustful of all humans ever since, especially women (standard psycho back-story, eh?)

- and oh, look, as proof that he's a good and reliable guy, he's tortured himself too (I guess the divine version of an emo cutting himself)

- and it's all for me, so he can forgive me (WTH? How about asking before just assuming that his cutting himself does anything for me, other than creep me out?)

Etc.

Sorry, that's not the description of some infinitely loving and benevolent guy, that's the story of the psycho rapist stalker in the bushes trope. That's pretty much Butch Reginald Mann, of The Chopping Block fame, only one notch creepier.

It's exactly that indecision whether it's a loving god or an a-hole who enjoys torturing people that makes it extra creepy and deranged. One or the other would at least make some sense. But the guy who loves you but wants to torture you horribly if you make him insecure, that's just deranged and creepy.

 

[Stomatopoda]

seems appropriate:

Strange, indeed, that you should not have suspected that your universe and its contents were only dreams, visions, fiction! Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane - like all dreams: a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice and invented hell - mouths mercy and invented hell - mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him! . . .

 

[Leumas]

- Jebus loves me (woot, so when is he coming to ask me out? Should I put on a dress and high heels for the occasion?)

No he prefers you just in "a linen cloth cast about your naked body"

Mark 14:51-52 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

 

[Patrick1000]

Did you go to Catholic school Travis? Jewish by any chance?.....

If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is? Why should I not do everything in my power to help anyone or anything that would oppose that brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty Sky Daddy?


Anyone?

Did you go to Catholic school Travis? Jewish by any chance?.....

The typical answer a priest or rabbi would give to you would be something like God is parenting these people when he goes off. You are implying here Travis that God is flipping out, but what he is doing is what any GOOD! parent does, punishing when his kids screw up, setting limits, disciplining his children.

By the time I was 12, in the 7th grade, still attending Catholic boys school, a great school by the way, fantastic really, I thought, "This is such bull,,,,,", and that was that. I was an atheist forevermore.

Another thing, when I was a small boy, say 6,7,8, these stories really scared me, the ones about God punishing people and so forth. Frightening for children some of the stories are......

 

[Resume]

If any of you wind up in Hell, it will be entirely by your choice. Even Satan will have to admit his own guilt at the Final Day, and proclaim the Judgement of God to be Righteous and True.

What's up with the threats? Seems like an omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent god could arrange things so he doesn't have to torture the flawed creatures he created (knowing they're flawed) for all eternity. Seems this whole thing (including "free will") wasn't thought out all that well. As if a human being made it all up.

 

[Multivac]

Satan cannot usurp God.

True. A non-existent entity cannot defeat another non-existent entity.

I've read every bitter, hate-filled post up to this point, and I say this to you all:

God loves you.

None of the posts are hate-filled or bitter, they are simply written by people who know god doesn't exist.

He loves His children so much that He Himself consented to take form on Earth, live as a mortal man, and die an entirely UNdeserved death to heal the breach that we fallen humans created by our own disobedience. He stands ready to welcome each of you back into His family even as I type this.

Even if he existed it would be impossible to welcome be back into the family as I have never been part of his family.

It's up to you to put aside hate, and pride, and rebellion and accept that freely offered Gift.

There is no hate involved. I cannot hate something that doesn't exist.

If any of you wind up in Hell, it will be entirely by your choice. Even Satan will have to admit his own guilt at the Final Day, and proclaim the Judgement of God to be Righteous and True.

Why are christians so obsessed with guilt, punishment and retribution?

 

[Limbo]

None of the posts are hate-filled or bitter, they are simply written by people who know god doesn't exist.

Know? How do you know? As someone who has interacted with God I can't wait to hear this.

 

[HansMustermann]

No he prefers you just in "a linen cloth cast about your naked body"

Hmm... sounds like a sari kind of dress would fit that description perfectly. Not my favourite style, but, eh, if that's what the Son Of Man likes, I can do that for him

 

[Halfcentaur]

Know? How do you know? As someone who has interacted with God I can't wait to hear this.

Two can play at this game. I know you're wrong, because you are wrong. You're not able to see that you're wrong, but I am. I wish you could see you were wrong, but you're incapable of it at this point in your emotional and mental development. Oh, and you have most of us on ignore, while sitting around telling the few people you don't have on ignore how much more spiritually advanced you are than the majority of religious and non religious people in the world.

Now that that is out of the way, I wish you could know you were wrong.

 

[Cayvmann]

It's up to you to put aside hate, and pride, and rebellion and accept that freely offered Gift.

The gift offered is a flaming bag of crap, set on your porch, waiting for you to stomp it out.

God promises very little of positive value in his book...

 

[tsig]

Know? How do you know? As someone who has interacted with God I can't wait to hear this.

What form was this interaction, aural, visual,other?

 

[Resume]

Know? How do you know? As someone who has interacted with God I can't wait to hear this.

Do tell. Show your math.

 

[Bikewer]

Even some early-Christian groups (notably the Gnostics) couldn't reconcile the mean-tempered and nasty Old Testament God with the kinder, gentler version proposed by the Christians.
They decided that the OT guy wasn't a proper God at all, but rather a rogue, an insane God who had broken away from the "real" gods.

Many scholars have pointed out that Jehovah is a nasty war-god that the early Isrealites decided to elevate above all others as they thought he'd help out as they lived in a tough neighborhood.
(considering their various travails, it's a wonder they decided to stick with the guy)

 

[Naive1000]

If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is? Why should I not do everything in my power to help anyone or anything that would oppose that brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty Sky Daddy?


Anyone?

Well, obviously because God loves you, and just wants you dead and with him as soon as possible. So may the good lord take a liking to ya and blow you up real soon!


ETA: Just for those not in the know, my last sentence is from a John Candy SCTV skit.

 

[Mister Agenda]

It's up to you to put aside hate, and pride, and rebellion and accept that freely offered Gift.

I don't think the bolded part means what you think it does (and there's no reason to capitalize 'gift'). A freely offered gift comes with no strings attached, no hoops to jump through, and no punishments for not accepting it. It's really not a gift at all, is it, let alone one worth capitalizing. It requires taking a lot on faith, living a certain way, and so forth. It's not a gift, it's a deal, one that it seems like all religions (and many self-help courses) offer.

If your God is real, you're representing him to us. For whatever reason, your God is presumably using you as an intermediary rather than approaching us directly. If you're in contact, surely he can offer something better for you to say to us than this preaching. If this is your best, with God on your side, what does that say?

 

[Bill Thompson 75]

If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is? Why should I not do everything in my power to help anyone or anything that would oppose that brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty Sky Daddy?

Anyone?

You would need to be insane to believe that everything in the Bible is true (God is perfect, paradise awaits in heaven, etc) and also believe that God is abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic, psychopathic, brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty, etc.

Paradoxically, if you are sane and still believe that God is good and evil, then since the evil aspects of God that you list don't apply to the afterlife, you should put up with all his crap and toe the line until you die, and encourage others to do the same.