why Nuclear Physics cannot be entirelly correct

So, Pedrone, there is no shame in acknowledging that you have no relevant formal training.
Perhaps you acquired your ideas through self study, perhaps you'd want to consider yourself an auto didact.

Is that the case Pedrone? Do you not have relevant formal training and do you consider yourself an auto didact?
 
No you did not. You used the word math in a sentence. You mentioned equations.

You did not show any equations. You did not point out the problems with the equations. You did not demonstrate a solution to those equations. Can you produce them? Otherwise, as I said previously, it's much the same as criticizing the editing of a story written in Japanese when you don't know the language in the first place. Where would you even start if you can't read the story much less understand the syntax used by Japanese to edit a story?

So how do you know there is a problem if you can't first demonstrate that you know the math? Without that at best you only have analogies based on approximate translations. And if your interpretations of those are wrong you are about 4 steps removed from knowing what you are talking about.

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Why have I to solve the problems of Physics ?

And because I dont know how to eliminate the crisis in Physics, it means that I cannot point out the faillures of the current theories?

Wow, then nobody can point out the faillures of Physics, because nobody knows the solutions
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Doesn't Lagrange have to do with orbital physics about a planet? I know the Earth and all other bodies have what is known as the "Lagrangian points" or whatever.

What's that have to do with nuclear physics?
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Nihilianth,
suppose that you propose a new theory, and you claim that your theory is better then the current theories.

The first thing the physicists will ask you is the following:
- Nihilianth, what is the Lagrangian of your theory?

And you reply:
- Oh, my theory has no Lagrangian.

And they will reply to you:
- Sorry, Nihilianth, then you have NO theory

Do you understand ?

So, according to the physicists, Nuclear Physics is NOT a theory, since it has not a Lagrangiam
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ON THE YUKAWA PREDICTION OF THE MESON EXISTENCE

Physicists measure the mass of particles in fractions of kilograms but they also measure it in another unit, the MeV/c2. The values that come to follow are presented in this unit.

The theory of Yukawa foresaw that the mass of meson had to be 100.
The mass detected from the experiences was 140. Therefore, it had a 40% difference, and the forecast of the theory might be felt unremarkable but there are other problems with the model. Note how many mesons exists in Nature:

Type mass
Meson π 140
Méson K 490
Méson η 549
Méson η' 958


Let us consider then that 40% error is a good forecast since physicists had considered the error made by Yukawa acceptable. Then:

1. If the forecast mass was 230 then, if his theory had foreseen a mass of 230, an allowed error of 40% results in 92 (that is, 230±92). As 230-92=138, this value would be confirmed by the real value of 140 detected experimentally. Therefore, if he had foreseen a mass between 100 and 230 he would have been felt right as well.

2. If the forecast mass was 350, then the allowed error would be 140. As 350+140 = 490, this value fits to the mass of the K meson. In this case, if the theory had foreseen a mass 350, the forecast would be confirmed once again.

3. If the forecast mass was between 350 and 1000, then any value foreseen in this band would give good result because the forecast would give a value next to 490, 549, or 958.

Conclusion: Yukawa could have foreseen the following masses:
Any value between 100 and 230
Any value between 350 and 1000
All these would be confirmed experimentally.


Only with a mass of 300 would he produce an unacceptable forecast. However, in a band between 100 the 1000, any forecast, except in the range between 270 and 320, would give a good result according to the acceptance criterion that physicists had adopted when considering Yukawa’s forecast as acceptable.

The possibility of error is very remote. Any forecast would come out right. One perceives that the rightness of Yukawa cannot even be considered coincidence, because he did not have the chance to make a mistake. If somebody hides a needle in a straw-loft, and we thread the hand in the straw and find the needle at the first attempt, this is coincidence. But if somebody places thousands of needles in the straw-loft and, at the first attempt, we find a needle, this is not coincidence since there was only a small possibility of failure. However, if we regard Yukawa’s forecast as coincidence, doesn’t it seem surprising that physicists accepted it so readily as confirmation of the theory?

Further, consider the irony that physicists consider the successes of the Bohr model of the atom as coincidences and do so although, because of the laws of probability, it is impossible that they are accidental. There really must be some link with reality in the Bohr model of the atom.

Therefore, the trust of physicists in mathematics seems highly subjective.

They happily accept the fruits of mathematics when it supplies results that suit them but, if the mathematics opposes their expectations, they reject the results in the same way that a religious rejects reasonable arguments to explain a supposed miracle that he insists on attributing to supernatural causes.
 
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Nihilianth,
suppose that you propose a new theory, and you claim that your theory is better then the current theories.

The first thing the physicists will ask you is the following:
- Nihilianth, what is the Lagrangian of your theory?

And you reply:
- Oh, my theory has no Lagrangian.

And they will reply to you:
- Sorry, Nihilianth, then you have NO theory

Do you understand ?

So, according to the physicists, Nuclear Physics is NOT a theory, since it has not a Lagrangiam
:D

Sorry, but I am a lowly web design, and computer programmer who is currently stuck teaching second grade. This is all Greek to me. Only time I ever heard of the word "Lagrangian" is in connection the "Lagrangian point" which has to do with planetary orbits.

Using a word to describe that same word doesn't help much. I asked what a"Lagrange" is, and you just simply used the word to describe itself. That doesn't make it any clearer whatsoever, and you have just wasted your time and mine.

Although, it seems as though you are finally calming down on the friggin smileys and colors. One can only hope you keep it up. ;)
 
No, I teach wrong current Physics for foolishes students who believe it to be correct

I know you are not a teacher. You are not qualified to be a teacher. You can't even spell correctly. The word is "foolish." There is no plural form of the word "foolish."

I also know you are no teacher, because you are teaching something you believe to be wrong, and call your students "foolish" for believing what you say.
 
I am! I am up to page 8 already! (sort of passing the time at the hospital. My wife is recuperating after giving birth to twin boys on Friday! :yikes::covereyes:jaw-dropp:eye-poppi:eek::gasp::faint::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D)

The smileys was the exact order of my reaction, watching the process.

Now, that's good stuff, although getting :crowded: good stuff nonetheless.
Congratulations :)

Oh, and you now owe us cake.
 
I am! I am up to page 8 already! (sort of passing the time at the hospital. My wife is recuperating after giving birth to twin boys on Friday! :yikes::covereyes:jaw-dropp:eye-poppi:eek::gasp::faint::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D)

The smileys was the exact order of my reaction, watching the process.

Awesome news! Congrats to you both.

:):):):):)
 
Now, that's good stuff, although getting :crowded: good stuff nonetheless.
Congratulations :)

Oh, and you now owe us cake.

:crowded: is right. lol. We came into the hospital with a house for just two people, and we are going to return home with 4. Gonna be strange, with new little people around now......
 
I suppose God told it to you
:D:D:D:D

Let's see the opinion of a man smarter than you:
“An objective of physical sciences has been to give an accurate image of the material world. One of the accomplishments of the physics in Century twenty was to show that the objective is unattainable”
J. Bronowski; 1973, The Ascent of Man

Bronowski, a Nobel Laureate, said it ironically, mocking of the physicists thinking that there is a not a real world existing in Nature.

The incompetence of the physicists to find the true laws of Nature does not mean that she must be crazy, as they believe


I bet Bronowski was sure that physicists enjoy to fool themselves
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Who says "Century twenty," and why would you capitalize one word, and not both?
 
I am! I am up to page 8 already! (sort of passing the time at the hospital. My wife is recuperating after giving birth to twin boys on Friday!


Congratulations. Twins are a lot of fun.

Your new identity from now-on will be "the father of the twins".

Don't think you have to buy two of everything.
 
Life's definitely going to change now for you and your wife. But it's a wonderful start, enjoy every moment, and most importantly, make the best of it :)
 
Doesn't Lagrange have to do with orbital physics about a planet? I know the Earth and all other bodies have what is known as the "Lagrangian points" or whatever.

What's that have to do with nuclear physics?


They are actually quite closely related and not just by being named after the same French dude Joseph Louis Lagrange.


By developing the Lagrangian and Lagrangian mechanics he was able to calculate the 5 points in an orbit where that body experiences no net force from the other two (much larger) bodies. As a result such points now bare his name as Lagrange points


Given pedrone’s rather bizarre requirement it would seem that he thinks there was no theory of gravity until 1772 when good ole Joseph Louis developed the Lagrangian to try to solve a three body problem involving the theory of, well, gravity.


ETA: Oh, and congratulations Nihilianth.
 
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Congratulations. Twins are a lot of fun.

Your new identity from now-on will be "the father of the twins".

Don't think you have to buy two of everything.

Life's definitely going to change now for you and your wife. But it's a wonderful start, enjoy every moment, and most importantly, make the best of it :)

I have a twin brother myself, with three other siblings besides the two of us. Guess who my parents said were the easiest to take care of? That's right. The twins! lol.

Twins normally watch out for one another, and occupy each other. They generally have to be at the same place at the same time, as they generally are in the same activities and grades. Most importantly: They are a LOT of friggin fun!

Can't wait to start taking them to cool places, and run around with them in the park or the backyard or wherever. They'll probably be the only two kids we'll ever own.
 

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