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why Nuclear Physics cannot be entirelly correct

John Jones said:
Wll someone PM me when this pedrone woo-woo states his academic credentials?

I'll then take him off ignore and begin anew to scrutinize his rants.
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Same here. I do not suffer fools gladly.
 
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Tubbythin said:
Really? I thought the Yukawa model was that protons and neutrons interacted by exchanging virtual mesons. Could you point me in the direction of this model you speak of?
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virtual mesons?
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Dont make me laugh
There is no such a thing
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Tubbythin said:
Nope. Heisenberg's model of isospin has been more or less ignored since the 1930's.
His model of isospin hasn't been used since the 1930's.
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STOP LYING
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Eisberg and Resnick book was published in 1988.
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Besides, isospin is a good example as physicists often propose stupid models, as did Yukawa
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YUKAWA MODEL
VIOLATES
3rd NEWTON'S LAW​


Yukawa proposed a model of neutron in which a meson jumps between two protons. So let's compare his model with two men in two boats in a lake, throwing a watermelon game, as shown in the figure:

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Each man plays the role of a proton, and the watermelon plays the role of a meson.

According to the 3rd Newton's law, the watermelon applies a force on each man, when he throws the watermelon for the other man. So, according to Newton, the watermelon game produces a force of repulsion between the two men.

But according to Yukawa, the watermelon game applies a force of attraction between the two men (like the meson applies a force of attraction between two protons).

If Yukawa is right, then Newton is wrong.

Who is right, in your opinion ? Newton, or Yukawa ?
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Conspiracy theory:
the man never landed the moon​

According to some guys who defend a conspiracy theory, Armonstrong did not land the moon.

And I'm starting to believe in such conspiracy theory :D, because according to Yukawa theory the 3rd Newton's law does not exist.

Therefore, according to Yukawa the rocketships cannot exist:

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Be aware: this do not exist !!!!​

There is a conspiracy trying to make you believe that rocketships exist !!!
Do not allow they fool you.
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fundamental questions​

1)
The proton has mass = 938,3 MeV/c2
The neutron has mass = 939,6 MeV/c2
If virtual meson should exist, its mass is zero.

Then how a hell to explain the mass of neutron? It would have to have the same mass of proton, since the meson has no mass.
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2)
Yukawa calculated that meson in his model should have mass about 100MeV/c2 .

The experiment detected a meson with mass 140MeV/c2 , and so Yukawa awarded the Nobel Prize.

But as his model has to work with a virtual meson with null mass, why a hell the experiment detected a meson with mass 140MeV, and Yukawa awarded the Nobel Prize ?


3)
Well, perhaps you will claim: the meson is virtual, but it has mass.

Then, unfortunatelly, a Yukawa model with a meson with mass violates the 3rd Newton's law.



CONCLUSION:
There is no way Yukawa model work through the known laws of Physics.
His model is stupid.
:p
 
pedrone said:
Conspiracy theory:
the man never landed the moon​

According to some guys who defend a conspiracy theory, Armonstrong did not land the moon.

And I'm starting to believe in such conspiracy theory :D, because according to Yukawa theory the 3rd Newton's law does not exist.

Therefore, according to Yukawa the rocketships cannot exist:

Be aware: this do not exist !!!!​

There is a conspiracy trying to make you believe that rocketships exist !!!
Do not allow they fool you.
:mad:
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And this just shows you don't know what you are talking about. This is a false dichotomy.
 
pedrone said:
fundamental questions​

1)
The proton has mass = 938,3 MeV/c2
The neutron has mass = 939,6 MeV/c2
If virtual meson should exist, its mass is zero.

Then how a hell to explain the mass of neutron? It would have to have the same mass of proton, since the meson has no mass.
:confused:


2)
Yukawa calculated that meson in his model should have mass about 100MeV/c2 .

The experiment detected a meson with mass 140MeV/c2 , and so Yukawa awarded the Nobel Prize.

But as his model has to work with a virtual meson with null mass, why a hell the experiment detected a meson with mass 140MeV, and Yukawa awarded the Nobel Prize ?


3)
Well, perhaps you will claim: the meson is virtual, but it has mass.

Then, unfortunatelly, a Yukawa model with a meson with mass violates the 3rd Newton's law.



CONCLUSION:
There is no way Yukawa model work through the known laws of Physics.
His model is stupid.
:p
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Oh my, you don't know about Gell_Mann do you? Figures.
 
pedrone said:
fundamental questions​

1)
The proton has mass = 938,3 MeV/c2
The neutron has mass = 939,6 MeV/c2
If virtual meson should exist, its mass is zero.
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Why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

The virtual particle forms of massless particles, such as photons, do have mass (which may be either positive or negative) and are said to be off mass shell. They are allowed to have mass (which consists of "borrowed energy") because they exist for only a temporary time, which in turn gives them a limited "range". This is in accordance with the uncertainty principle which allows existence of such particles of borrowed energy, so long as their energy, multiplied by the time they exist, is a fraction of Planck's constant.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meson

pedrone said:
Then how a hell to explain the mass of neutron? It would have to have the same mass of proton, since the meson has no mass.
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Or your assumption about virtual mesons is simply incorrect. As a neutron does not have the same rest mass as a proton, the latter would seem demonstrably so. You do understand that the decay of a neutron to a proton would involve the emission of a real (detectable) electron and a real electron antineutrino, don’t you? So evidently you’re just confusing, perhaps deliberately, real particles (involved in neutron decay) and virtual mesons (involved in strong froce interactions).

pedrone said:
2)
Yukawa calculated that meson in his model should have mass about 100MeV/c2 .

The experiment detected a meson with mass 140MeV/c2 , and so Yukawa awarded the Nobel Prize.

But as his model has to work with a virtual meson with null mass, why a hell the experiment detected a meson with mass 140MeV, and Yukawa awarded the Nobel Prize ?
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Again simply demonstrating that your above assumption about virtual mesons is incorrect. You do understand that what they detected was not a virtual meson but a real meson, don’t you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pion


pedrone said:
Well, perhaps you will claim: the meson is virtual, but it has mass.

Then, unfortunatelly, a Yukawa model with a meson with mass violates the 3rd Newton's law.


CONCLUSION:
There is no way Yukawa model work through the known laws of Physics.
His model is stupid.
:p
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Nope, evidently it is just you.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meson

History
From theoretical considerations, Hideki Yukawa in 1934[citation needed] predicted the existence and the approximate mass of the "meson" as the carrier of the nuclear force that holds atomic nuclei together. If there was no nuclear force, all nuclei with two or more protons would fly apart because of the electromagnetic repulsion. Yukawa called his carrier particle the meson, from mesos, the Greek word for intermediate, because its predicted mass was between that of the electron and that of the proton, which has about 1,836 times the mass of the electron. Yukawa had originally named his particle the "mesotron", but he was corrected by the physicist Werner Heisenberg (whose father was a professor of Greek at the University of Munich). Heisenberg pointed out that there is no "tr" in the Greek word "mesos".[5]
The first candidate for Yukawa's meson, then dubbed the "mu meson" (or muon) was discovered 1936 by Carl David Anderson and others in the decay products of cosmic ray interactions. The mu meson had about the right mass to be Yukawa's carrier of the strong nuclear force, but over the course of the next decade, it became evident that it was not the right particle. It was eventually found that the mu meson did not participate in the strong nuclear interaction at all, but rather behaved like a heavy version of the electron, and is in fact a lepton rather than a meson.
There were years of delays in subatomic particle research during World War II in 1939−45, with most physicists working in applied projects for wartime necessities. When the war ended in August 1945, many physicists gradually returned to peacetime research. The first true meson to be discovered was the "pi meson" (or pion) in 1947, by Cecil Powell, César Lattes, and Giuseppe Occhialini, who were investigating cosmic ray products at the University of Bristol in England. It also had about the right mass, and over the next few years, more experiments showed that the pion was indeed involved in strong interactions. The pion (as a virtual particle) is the primary force carrier for the nuclear force in atomic nuclei. Other mesons, such as the rho mesons are involved in mediating this force as well, but to lesser extents. Following the discovery of the pion, Yukawa was awarded the 1949 Nobel Prize in Physics for his predictions.
The word meson has at times been used to mean any force carrier, such as "Z0 meson" which is involved in mediating the weak interaction.[6] However, this spurious usage has fallen out of favor. Mesons are now defined as particles composed of pairs of quarks and antiquarks.
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We're still waiting for your credentials pedrone. What are your qualifications and where did you study physics?
 
The Man said:
Again simply demonstrating that your above assumption about virtual mesons is incorrect. You do understand that what they detected was not a virtual meson but a real meson, don’t you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meson
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The Man,
show me the experiments in which virtual mesons were detected.

As you know, anything not comproved by experiments is pseudocience

Yukawa model is not considered so long by scientific community.

Just because his model is stupid, it was replaced by the quark model of neutron:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron
 
RobDegraves said:
Yawn.. more hallmarks of the troll.

Quote:
There is no need any equation to understand the violation of mass-energy conservation by Yukawa model

1. Refusal to do real science.
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RobDegraves,
please show us the equations that prove Andrea Rossi cold fusion experiment violates the energy-mass conservation
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