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Why not war against Islam?

bikerdruid said:
i just googled 'united states belief in evolution', and learned that estimates vary between 14.5% and 40% of americans believe in evolution.
that would certainly indicate, that over 50% of americans believe the biblical story of creation.
http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=507
actually, catholics are probably the most open to scientific reality.
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on some things yes, when it comes to condoms and Aids not so much.
 
bikerdruid said:
i just googled 'united states belief in evolution', and learned that estimates vary between 14.5% and 40% of americans believe in evolution.
that would certainly indicate, that over 50% of americans believe the biblical story of creation.
http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=507
actually, catholics are probably the most open to scientific reality.
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That still doesn't mean or reflect what is taught in school.

By the way, this statisic is all the more reason why a politician might fib or word her answer carefully. One has to get elected to get the job.

I noticed that Backmann never comes right out and say evolution is a lie. She is kind of saying she is in favor of a debate on the issue. It is what some people might want to hear.

By the way, some US presidents who had mental illnesses turned out to be the best ones.

Likewise, some US presidents who had genius IQs turned out to be some of the worst ones.

If we are talking about what makes a good president, I hope you realise it is not a job at a biology lab.
 
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OK, so why is christianity a bigger threat than Islam? I missed out on a computer lecture in the World Trade Center. What similar event has happened in my life that I forgot?

So where is the memorial for those killed off by christianity in the USA? Tell me where the construction is for memorial for the thousands of lives murdered by christians.
 
Bill Thompson said:
...So where is the memorial for those killed off by christianity in the USA? Tell me where the construction is for memorial for the thousands of lives murdered by christians.
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You are correct. There is currently no large memorial for the hundreds of millions of Native-Americans who died due to the evils of Christianity and Manifest Destiny. But we do have the National Holocaust Museum in DC.
 
Dayan81 said:
You are correct. There is currently no large memorial for the hundreds of millions of Native-Americans who died due to the evils of Christianity and Manifest Destiny. But we do have the National Holocaust Museum in DC.
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Yeah. History is full of bad stuff. The portuguese did bad stuff to the natives in Brazil too. In fact, way worse than what happened in North America.

So why is it that christianity is a bigger threat to me than Islam?

Antpogo, was relentless about this mantra. She insisted repeatedly with the intensity of one thousand suns that christianity is a bigger threat to me than Islam. I am still waiting for an answer.

If that was a lie. Why did she lie? Was it all just political rhetoric? I am beginning to think it was.
 
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Do you disagree with my point as to why I see christian extremists as a bigger threat to us than muslim extremists? If so, why? Not sure if you saw my last post.

Mister Earl said:
An extremist muslim might blow up a building. An extremist christian running for president wants to cripple the public education system. Severely. That is why I consider them a bigger threat.
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Bill Thompson said:
Yeah. History is full of bad stuff. The portuguese did bad stuff to the natives in Brazil too.

So why is it that christianity is a bigger threat to me than Islam?

Antpogo, was relentless about this mantra. She insisted repeatedly with the intensity of one thousand suns that christianity is a bigger threat to me than Islam. I am still waiting for an answer.

If that was a lie. Why did she lie? Was it all just political rhetoric? I am beginning to think it was.
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Neither Islam nor Christianity is dangerous to you. you are save, don't worry.
others that were willing to get informed on the details are protecting you and your country, and they do a good job at that.
 
Christian-extremists have connections with very powerful people in the United States.

The wrong combination at just the wrong time, could lead to some very deadly results.
 
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Something like that.
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but that seems to be about Scientology. For war on Islam, how do you rate this more typical effusion? http://www.faithfreedom.org/ Covers all the bases, eh? By the way, FF has cleaned up its act a bit. Used to have articles like this: http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/VernonRichards50806.htm , and it still touts Richards' other works.
Muslim survivalists will only force the end to the terrorist activities springing up from amongst them when made to pay a terrible price. One ‘terrible price’ currently under debate is an nuclear attack on Mecca should any 9/11 scale attack (or larger) occur on US soil ... But as has been pointed out by Robert Spencer, Nuking Mecca could also be seen by Islamists as a weak action and could serve to unify Muslims and increase Jihad. But this is only true if not done properly and the city is left salvageable within a few years. ... To be done correctly, a grid of 9 of our most powerful Hydrogen bombs (3x3, every 12 miles, the black stone at the center) are set off at the surface to be as dirty as possible, rendering the entire region uninhabitable for the next few decades. The strike is then repeated every 5 years or so if any kind of clean-up is attempted. Medina needs one too, to prevent Arabs from declaring the transference of the holy site to the secondary location, but Mecca needs to be thoroughly ‘glassified’. Muslims will thereby learn by force-feeding that their hateful God (Allah) cannot protect them and is a figment of their collective imagination, and millions will leave the failed cult. Nothing harms an Arab more than humiliation and defeat.
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And what about this from Fjordman, the mass murderer Breivik's main inspiration? http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html "Hate speech"? Lots of his articles on the Faith Freedom site at http://www.faithfreedom.org/?s=Fjordman . As we can see from the Norway atrocity, these sorts of statements have consequences. That's what "war on a religion" means.
 
Christians are particularly dangerous to me, much more than muslims, and it is a toss-up which are the most dangerous - catholic fundies or protestant fundies.
 
What does "all religions are bad" have anything to do with anything?

How is the badness of Christianity have anything to do with anything?

I mean, I get it. I get where you are coming from it is more "ethical" to focus on Christianity somehow. It is also more comforting to consider that Christianity is worse even if that is not true. It is more comforting because we can actually do something with Christianity, politically. So if we convince ourselves that Christianity is a bigger threat. It give us peace of mind. But it is not really true.

It is kind of like some people I know who are from Russia who believe that the USA never sent a man on the moon. It does not matter if it is true or not, it is more comforting to them to believe it is. If the USA made it to the moon before Russia, it means the USA is somehow better and this is upsetting. So they choose to believe it is not true and then their narrative and view of the world is corrected.

I think it is more comforting to you to think that christianity is worse than islam and/or it is more ethically correct to believe so. If it was not true, then that would mean we are living at the will of a foreign danger. That is upsetting and unsettling. So we can choose to believe that christianity is worse and we can do something about it and then the world is more comforting and better.

If someone comes along and logically shows you that you are wrong, then they are somehow flawed. Exposing that flaw sets the view of the universe back to where it should be (to you).
 
Bill Thompson said:
What does "all religions are bad" have anything to do with anything?

How is the badness of Christianity have anything to do with anything?

I mean, I get it. I get where you are coming from it is more "ethical" to focus on Christianity somehow. It is also more comforting to consider that Christianity is worse even if that is not true. It is more comforting because we can actually do something with Christianity, politically. So if we convince ourselves that Christianity is a bigger threat. It give us peace of mind. But it is not really true.

It is kind of like some people I know who are from Russia who believe that the USA never sent a man on the moon. It does not matter if it is true or not, it is more comforting to them to believe it is. If the USA made it to the moon before Russia, it means the USA is somehow better and this is upsetting. So they choose to believe it is not true and then their narrative and view of the world is corrected.

I think it is more comforting to you to think that christianity is worse than islam and/or it is more ethically correct to believe so. If it was not true, then that would mean we are living at the will of a foreign danger. That is upsetting and unsettling. So we can choose to believe that christianity is worse and we can do something about it and then the world is more comforting and better.

If someone comes along and logically shows you that you are wrong, then they are somehow flawed. Exposing that flaw sets the view of the universe back to where it should be (to you).
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like when you keep telling yourself that Al-Queda's interpretation of Islam is the only correct interpretation?
 
DC said:
like when you keep telling yourself that Al-Queda's interpretation of Islam is the only correct interpretation?
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like when you use razor blades to cut yourself and you blame it on being abused by the daycare provider?
 
Craig B said:
but that seems to be about Scientology. For war on Islam, how do you rate this more typical effusion? http://www.faithfreedom.org/ Covers all the bases, eh? By the way, FF has cleaned up its act a bit. Used to have articles like this: http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/VernonRichards50806.htm , and it still touts Richards' other works.

And what about this from Fjordman, the mass murderer Breivik's main inspiration? http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html "Hate speech"? Lots of his articles on the Faith Freedom site at http://www.faithfreedom.org/?s=Fjordman . As we can see from the Norway atrocity, these sorts of statements have consequences. That's what "war on a religion" means.
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Is the war against Scientology ethical or not? If not why not? If it is, why wouldn't a war against Islam not be ethical?
 
No, a war against Scientology would not be ethical. I live in an area with many Muslim residents. They are perfectly normal people, displaying no sign of wanting to terrorise anyone. Why should I go to war with them? If they started killing people I would. But you can't go to war with a religion, only with physical people, and my Muslim neighbours are doing nothing to arouse my hostility.

Vernon Richards, whom I quoted about nuking Mecca, can imagine only killing millions of people in his war against Islam. And the Norwegian murderer Breivik, who has put such ideas into practice, struck not at a "religion" but at people - not even Muslims, if it matters. For "religion" is an abstraction; it can't be hit, it can't be fought with physical force.
 
Craig B said:
No, a war against Scientology would not be ethical. I live in an area with many Muslim residents. They are perfectly normal people, displaying no sign of wanting to terrorise anyone. Why should I go to war with them? If they started killing people I would. But you can't go to war with a religion, only with physical people, and my Muslim neighbours are doing nothing to arouse my hostility.

Vernon Richards, whom I quoted about nuking Mecca, can imagine only killing millions of people in his war against Islam. And the Norwegian murderer Breivik, who has put such ideas into practice, struck not at a "religion" but at people - not even Muslims, if it matters. For "religion" is an abstraction; it can't be hit, it can't be fought with physical force.
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How is killing muslims a war against Islam?
So you think the war with Scientolgy that is going on right now with Annon is unethical. Interesting.

So where do you draw the line between fighting a cult and tolerating a religon.

Do you think all cults should be tolerated?

Wait, did you think I meant a shooting war with Scientology?

I think you did.

Please tell me I am wrong and you knew I am not stupid enough to imply a shooting war with Scientology. If you thought I meant a shooting war with Scientology, that is pretty pathetic.

This is the first time I have used this:
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