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Why not war against Islam?

Bill Thompson said:
because that is the topic of this discussion thread. that is how online forums work.
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no the implication is that Islam is somewhat special in that regard, and it was shown that it isn't.

there are dangerous groups in Islam that need to be fouhgt with real guns in a eral war.
the vast majority does not have to be fought against, because they are no danger at all. Those people have a right to their religion just as you have to yours. They are no danger to anyone. and those can be fouhgt verbaly, their nonsense debunked and all that. but not fought in a real war.

so here you fail with your War on Islam.
 
Mister Agenda said:
So, since American policy is that gay-marriage is illegal in almost every state, it's not possible to be pro-gay-marriage and pro-American? I mean if you remove all of America's laws, in what meaningful sense is it still America?
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I think I love you. :)
 
Bill Thompson said:
You want me to tell you where I live and what my life is like?
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No, I want you to tell me what you meant by "my world", and how you feel it's threatened more by Islam than by the Christian right.

I can certainly do the former without talking about any more of my personal life than is already revealed in the location tag accompanying each and every one of my posts. Would you like me to go first?

I answered you why I would not do that.
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Why did you post those words if you refuse to not only talk about them, but to explain just what you meant?

Notice you ignored this post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7477242&postcount=716
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Actually, I quoted it right in the very post you replied to here.

Does this mean you're not going to answer either of my questions? Even after I answered yours?
 
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you keep bringing up christianity. that does not make any sense. the fact that you can or cannot say something similar about christianity regarding the the UN declaration of universal rights does not mean anthing about islam.

is it like an obcession with you or something? Is there not enough anti-christian web forums or discussion threads online?
 
ANTPogo said:
No, I want you to tell me what you meant by "my world", and how you feel it's threatened more by Islam than by the Christian right.
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But that topic was between me and BikerDruid. You are taking "my world" out of context. World means a lot. He is a gay guy. To him, in "his world", I can understand how christian policy is a big threat.

You take a lot of things I have said out of context.

You also have ideas I have said things I have not.

"World" is only partly a geographic thing. I has to do with who is in your sphere of impact and influence.

The Christians are trying to overturn abortion laws? Not part of my world. I have yet to have sex with someone I didn't want to get pregnant.

The Christians are against gay marrage. That stinks. If I was part of the gay community, sure, that would be more important to me than Islam.

I missed a computer training and lecture at the world trade center. Nothing like that compares to all the christian wackos and what they can do to me. When I find out Christians are secretly planning to kill me, hey right on, I am with you then.
 
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Just popping in to ask: Did the OP ever state why he thinks we should go to war with billions of people who never did us any harm?
 
DC said:
no the implication is that Islam is somewhat special in that regard, and it was shown that it isn't.

there are dangerous groups in Islam that need to be fouhgt with real guns in a eral war.
the vast majority does not have to be fought against, because they are no danger at all. Those people have a right to their religion just as you have to yours. They are no danger to anyone. and those can be fouhgt verbaly, their nonsense debunked and all that. but not fought in a real war.

so here you fail with your War on Islam.
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How do you define "Islam"?

You seem to have it confused with "Muslims".

What language is your first?
 
DC said:
no the implication is that Islam is somewhat special in that regard, and it was shown that it isn't.

there are dangerous groups in Islam that need to be fouhgt with real guns in a eral war.
the vast majority does not have to be fought against, because they are no danger at all. Those people have a right to their religion just as you have to yours. They are no danger to anyone. and those can be fouhgt verbaly, their nonsense debunked and all that. but not fought in a real war.

so here you fail with your War on Islam.
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That is not true. I missed a computer training and lecture at the world trade center.

Nothing like that compares to all the christian wackos and what they can do to me.
 
DC said:
Islam is the name of the Religion of Muslims......

Swiss German

what is your definition?
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What people believe is not the same thing as people.

Your definition does not seem fit the one you just now gave me.

If you at war with cancer that does not mean you are out to kill everyone with cancer.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
you keep bringing up christianity. that does not make any sense. the fact that you can or cannot say something similar about christianity regarding the the UN declaration of universal rights does not mean anthing about islam.
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Actually, for the purposes of the arguments advanced in this and similar threads, it means quite a bit. That's why it's so important.

is it like an obcession with you or something? Is there not enough anti-christian web forums or discussion threads online?
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Let's face it: despite the worldwide nature of the modern internet, places like the JREF boards are still primarily American, and certainly primarily Western. As a result, virtually everyone here has a fairly strong knowledge of Christianity, even at just a basic level, from sheer cultural osmosis. If you're American or have spent any length of time in America, it's even stronger. Even our very language is filled with idioms taken directly from the Christian scriptures. We all know individual Christians, and what Christianity generally means, and most likely grew up in at least a marginally Christian household. Only when it comes to doctrinal specifics do people perhaps need to have their misperceptions corrected and the knowledge gaps filled.

In contrast, Islam is almost entirely an unknown. Very few people even know any Muslims, much less what individual Muslims believe. Therefore, the need to correct misperceptions and fill knowledge gaps is correspondingly greater when it comes to Islam, even when talking about the basics. And when talking about the specifics, well, you might as well forget it. Who even knows why and on what Sunnis and Shi'ites disagree, much less what the differences between the Sunni madh'hab are.

That's why I rarely bother to correct anyone when it comes to Christianity (though I've definitely done it several times just here on these forums), while simply getting everyone to understand what they're even talking about in regards to Islam and Muslim beliefs is pretty much (as I indicated in the other thread) a neverending, Sisyphean task.
 
Bill Thompson said:
That is not true. I missed a computer training and lecture at the world trade center.

Nothing like that compares to all the christian wackos and what they can do to me.
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Homosexual people have in most countries not the same rights as Heterosexuals have.
This is a violation of Article 1.
and all other Abrahamic and propably a bunch of others have the same violation.

so your point to single it out Islam is moot.

and as i already said, those groups behind 9/11 and similar actions have a real war on them, not just some armchair generals declaring war on them on the internet.
People risk their life every day to fight the extremist.
why do you want to blame Islam as a whole when Islamic schoolars have eondemned this terror atack and other atacks? When Schoolars have released fatwas against such terror?

why do you belief Osama Bin Laden more than some peacefull Imam?

should we take Breivik's interpretation of Christianity and say, that is Christianity?
i think that would be unfair because for most Christians, Breivik's interpretation is not one they share.

So why do you want to listen to the most extremist people and not to the peacefull ones? those that are the vast majority?
 
Bill Thompson said:
But that topic was between me and BikerDruid.
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And if you didn't want other people commenting, you should have used PMs.

You are taking "my world" out of context. World means a lot. He is a gay guy. To him, in "his world", I can understand how christian policy is a big threat.
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Which didn't stop you from posting about how much worse "Islam" treats gay people. And which also still doesn't answer how Islam is a bigger threat to your "world" than the Christian right is.

You take a lot of things I have said out of context.

You also have ideas I have said things I have not.
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Which makes me wonder why you're so reluctant to correct my impressions and provide the proper context, even when I ask you directly. After all, if you don't explain yourself, all I have to go on is my interpretations of your words.

"World" is only partly a geographic thing. I has to do with who is in your sphere of impact and influence.
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That's better. Now, given that you've posted ostensibly disparaging comments about Christianity, how is it that Islam is a bigger threat to that world of yours than Christianity is, when one of the two main political parties in our nation, right now, is competing to select the most theocratic Christian candidate for the Presidency?
 
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Bill Thompson said:
What people believe is not the same thing as people.

Your definition does not seem fit the one you just now gave me.

If you at war with cancer that does not mean you are out to kill everyone with cancer.
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what people belief is protected by the Human Rights you pointed out.
their actions however are not, especially when they violate other people human rights.

Islam is a religion, some use it in a pecefull and good way, some use it to justify their violence and terror.

one of those groups has a real war on them.
you are arguing that the rest also need a war on them, as i understand not a real war, but a somewhat different war.

which makes it just stupid because how are we to differ between the real war with army, and the wannabe war from internet wannabe warriors like yourself?

as i said, nothing is wrong with debunking their nonsense like it is done with all other religions, but you cannot take away their right of freedom of religion. and calling that a war is just confusing.
 
DC said:
Homosexual people have in most countries not the same rights as Heterosexuals have.
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Homosexual people in most muslim countries do NOT have the same rights has heterosexuals have.

Homosexuelle Menschen in den meisten muslimischen Ländern nicht die gleichen Rechte Heterosexuelle haben.

Eine Religion ist nicht dasselbe wie ein Volk. Als im Krieg mit dem Islam ist nicht das Gleiche als im Kriegszustand mit den Muslimen. Es ist wie im Krieg mit Krebs. Wenn Sie sich im Krieg mit Krebs sind es nicht, dass Sie sich an alle, die Krebs hat zu töten. Ebenso hat die Diskussion darüber, wie schlecht ist das Christentum keine Anwendung. Wenn das Christentum schlecht ist, bedeutet es nicht, islam ist gut. das wäre wie wenn man sagt, da Herzerkrankung ist schlecht, ist Krebs gut.
 
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