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Why not war against Islam?

All religions are bad. Gotcha. So what is your point?

Where are you coming from and where are you going with this?

Why are you tolerant of an organization that is, by overall policy and by commandment from God, intollerant towards gays, women, children and free speech?

I notice that time after time when you do not like the quesiton you ignore it or misdirect it. Why is that?

And other times you just plain launch into personal attacks. I guess Dale Carnage was right, huh? You cannot really win an argument because once you prove to someone that they are wrong, they will come back at you flinging mud and launch into unfair personal attacks.


Here is a blog I just found.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...?page=3&link=ibaf&q=islam+intolerance+of+gays


I wonder what you would make of its points.

No, I did not write it. But if I did write a blog it might come out sounding similar to this one. So tell me where this guy has gotten it wrong.

Actually, my blog would sound very similar to this one. It was strange to read this blog.

Do I need to post quotes from it or can you click on the link?

I think you can click on the link.

Here, i will post it it again in case you missed it.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/islam-is-a-religion-of-peace-********/blog-298903/?page=3&link=ibaf&q=islam+intolerance+of+gays
 
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Bill Thompson said:
Here is a blog I just found.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...?page=3&link=ibaf&q=islam+intolerance+of+gays


I wonder what you would make of its points.

No, I did not write it. But if I did write a blog it might come out sounding similar to this one. So tell me where this guy has gotten it wrong.

Actually, my blog would sound very similar to this one. It was strange to read this blog.

Do I need to post quotes from it or can you click on the link?

I think you can click on the link.

Here, i will post it it again in case you missed it.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/islam-is-a-religion-of-peace-********/blog-298903/?page=3&link=ibaf&q=islam+intolerance+of+gays
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bill...we can all concede the fact that islamic extremists are extremely intolerant of queers.
however, more than one african government, following the influence of american evangelicals, have begun arresting queers and are considering the death penalty.
your american christian right frightens me more than radical islam, as they are more of a domestic threat..
 
bikerdruid said:
bill...we can all concede the fact that islamic extremists are extremely intolerant of queers.
however, more than one african government, following the influence of american evangelicals, have begun arresting queers and are considering the death penalty.
your american christian right frightens me more than radical islam, as they are more of a domestic threat..
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Ever hear "two wrongs don't make a right"?

I highlighted parts that to me make no sense. Islam is, as you call "radical" as its fundamental policy and practice in countries where Islam is the law.

I don't know what you mean by "your american christian right" you seem to be hinting at something that I think is not true.

Maybe in your world, you consider the christian right as a bigger threat. I am sure it might be. But in my world the story is different.

People are coming here from different life experiences.

For example to DC Islam is good because where he lives Muslims are all great people.

DC, You can think Islam is a good thing because based on your experience Muslims are good and kind people. I get that. I understand where you are coming from. You are motivated by two things. Number one, based on your experience Islam is good. Number two, you are motivated by what you want to believe is true: the world would be a better place if what you believe is true were real.

OK. I got it. I understand. In fact, I am the same way. I believe that laughter is the best medicine because I have never had gonorrhea.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Maybe in your world, you consider the christian right as a bigger threat. I am sure it might be. But in my world the story is different.
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Really? In Redmond, Washington, Islam is more of a threat than the Christian Right? That's an extremely odd statement, to say the least. Especially given your post about your support of gay rights.

Because every single proposed or passed anti-gay-rights law, amendment, restriction, or regulation in the US was done so at the behest of and under pressure from Christians. Same thing with anti-gay protests and rallies.

It's sure as heck not Muslims that are picketing the funerals of US servicemembers, holding up homophobic signs.
 
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Irshad Manji, whose criticisms of "mainstream" Islam have been cited a number of times by Islamophobes right here on the JREF forums, has written extensively about reconciling her lesbianism with her Muslim faith.
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But that's not possible - Bill says so!
 
Decades ago, the UN created a Declaration of Universal Human Rights.
The problem is that the writers of this document were naive and did not know that the the articles in the declaration clashed with each other. For example, the freedom of religion clashed with the freedoms of expression and other rights if the religion that was picked was Islam.

If this is not what you want to believe is true, do not blame the messenger for telling you this.

It sucks. I know. But it is true.

I would rather be miserable than blind.

I think you would rather be blind than miserable.

BikerDruid uses expressions like "radical islam". I wonder where he got this term. The only place I have heard of it was on the news and I never heard of it prior to 9-11-2001. Where was the term "radical islam" when the USS Cole was bombed? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when the Embassy in South Africa? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when Theo Van Gogh was stabbed and beheaded on a public street? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when the new president of Iran passed a religious decree that Salmon Rushdie should be killed for exercising freedom of expression? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when Palestinians wiped out all of the Israeli Olympic athletes? It did not exist then.

But then 9-11 happened. This was bigger than all those other acts of terrorism. So now we have to invent a term to give us peace of mind. So we invent "radical islam". This is because now the idea that terrorism was part of islam is an idea we cannot live with anymore. We would rather be blind than miserable. We cannot accept that 9-11 was part of islam. This was something new. This was "radical islam". 9-11 was carried out by "radicals".

It is not true. No one thought of Osama bin Laden was a radical. He was a champion of Islam, not a "radical". We needed to paint him as a kind of Adolf Hitler or something so we could sleep at night. The man was charitable, compassionalte and giving. Ah but we cannot think of him this way. We need to think of him as a "radical" and that he was not part of (a new term) "true Islam".
 
ANTPogo said:
Irshad Manji, whose criticisms of "mainstream" Islam have been cited a number of times by Islamophobes right here on the JREF forums, has written extensively about reconciling her lesbianism with her Muslim faith.
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Sorry, I have to skip over your ad hominim attacks. It reminds me of being labled "anti-mormon". I think you attack the messenger and not the message. You loose cred.
 
Cleon, staistics of small numbers is a logical fallacy. You find one article that talks about cultural muslim gays in the UK coming out and suddenly the world is as you want it to be?

So you have proved that you can be gay and muslim?

Too bad these guys didn't get the news, huh?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

You have done the opposite of what you think you have done. IN the UK these people have the right to protest what is wrong with Islam. It proves my point that there is something seriously wrong that needs to be fought.
 
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Cleon, staistics of small numbers is a logical fallacy. You find one article that talks about cultural muslim gays in the UK coming out and suddenly the world is as you want it to be?
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Bill, do you know what the word "impossible" means? It means "not possible."

Clearly, it is possible to be gay and Muslim. You were wrong.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Decades ago, the UN created a Declaration of Universal Human Rights.
The problem is that the writers of this document were naive and did not know that the the articles in the declaration clashed with each other. For example, the freedom of religion clashed with the freedoms of expression and other rights if the religion that was picked was Islam.

If this is not what you want to believe is true, do not blame the messenger for telling you this.
It sucks. I know. But it is true.

I would rather be miserable than blind.

I think you would rather be blind than miserable.

BikerDruid uses expressions like "radical islam". I wonder where he got this term. The only place I have heard of it was on the news and I never heard of it prior to 9-11-2001. Where was the term "radical islam" when the USS Cole was bombed? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when the Embassy in South Africa? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when Theo Van Gogh was stabbed and beheaded on a public street? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when the new president of Iran passed a religious decree that Salmon Rushdie should be killed for exercising freedom of expression? It did not exist then. Where was the term "radical islam" when Palestinians wiped out all of the Israeli Olympic athletes? It did not exist then.

But then 9-11 happened. This was bigger than all those other acts of terrorism. So now we have to invent a term to give us peace of mind. So we invent "radical islam". This is because now the idea that terrorism was part of islam is an idea we cannot live with anymore. We would rather be blind than miserable. We cannot accept that 9-11 was part of islam. This was something new. This was "radical islam". 9-11 was carried out by "radicals".

It is not true. No one thought of Osama bin Laden was a radical. He was a champion of Islam, not a "radical". We needed to paint him as a kind of Adolf Hitler or something so we could sleep at night. The man was charitable, compassionalte and giving. Ah but we cannot think of him this way. We need to think of him as a "radical" and that he was not part of (a new term) "true Islam".
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ironicly, you are the one that keeps his paranoid and false belief and even after it was shown that your belief is wrong, you keep beliefing it.
Other are able to see dangers of groups within Islam and do not need to lump together extremists with normal people like you have to to keep your paranoia alive.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Sorry, I have to skip over your ad hominim attacks. It reminds me of being labled "anti-mormon". I think you attack the messenger and not the message. You loose cred.
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you have an irrational and paranoid fear of Islam.
you are indeed an Islamaphobe.
 
It is "news" because it is something "new". It is not the norm. UK gays from muslim countries are able to come out -- some anyway. This is not the norm.

Citing this one example and labeling it as prove that a muslim can come out and not risk his life shows that you do not understand how the real world is.
 
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