So is sutee and female genital mutilation, or slavery for that matter. ?
straw, we're discussing polygamy here and the rights for polyamory groups to publically declare their love with a marriage ceremony, those things you mention have nothing to do with this discussion, I was simply responding to your "evil polygamy" claim,
Polygamy, like these other horrors, is one of those "traditional institutions that show the depth of their culture and tradition" which the world would do much better without, due to its inherently misogynist nature.
"their culture, their tradition", so you see this as an "us" and "them" thing. We are not talking about those religions which allow polygamy, we're talking about polygamy in the western world
heres the OP again
When hearing debates about granting marriage to same sex couples (Something I'm firmly in favour of), I often hear "If you are redefining marriage, why not have polygamous ones?" from the conservative side.
notably we're not talking about Islam here or any other group who already may allow polygamy. And if we were, I think you would be focusing on the bad examples, the good examples aren't in the public domain because no ones complaining. Exactly the same could be said for abusive partners in monogamous relationships, I bet you could find a thousand more examples of evil there
Would any of those who speak so highly about polygamy here, would be willing to have their daughter as the third wife of a rich, elderly man -- the typical situation? What about his first wife, with the constant fear of being replaced with a younger model -- naturally without any financial or legal compensation that divorce brings?
that is not the typical situation, the typical situation is that more than two people fall in love and start to cohabit, then they meet a third that they both click with and invite them to live with them, this then becomes their normal and part of being normal is the right to marry
I have no vested interest in this discussion and no bias dictating my argument, I don't believe in any kind of marriage, but I feel very strongly that if three people want to dress up and be allowed to walk down an aisle and publically speak some vows then their right to do so should be enforced by law in the same way that it is for everyone else
poly groups are not second class citizens, why treat them as such
the whole reason that polygamy is illegal in the west today is because of St Augustine who said this
That the good purpose of marriage, however, is better promoted by one husband with one wife, than by a husband with several wives, is shown plainly enough by the very first union of a married pair, which was made by the Divine Being Himself
so the stigma is simply religious bigotry which is based on a myth that never happened. Thats a great example for the modern world isnt it
you don't think perhaps that the world has moved on in the last 1500 years since he said that ?
how people feel about gay marriage, or pet marriage or arranged marriages or marriages of convenience are irrelevant in this discussion, hows your marriage doing ?
is she happy with you ?
btw, loved your film
The variation isn't the problem. Raw numbers are. Regardless of what you think people will value, when there are men who are making multiple women unavailable, there just aren't enough women anymore. The math won't work, no matter what "variations" you try. It's like musical chairs: no matter what tune you play, there's a guaranteed loser. And he's going to cause trouble.
well then, you missed the main point, that in the west poly groups are far more often female led, with multiple male partners, this in fact frees up more women for the poor insecure single men, if you allow gay marriage where one partner is pan or bisexual too, wow, think of how many women you'd have access to then, you'd need to start a poly group yourself to cope with the extra bodies, I just hope your partners don't love you enough to marry you, or your screwed arent you
The variation isn't the problem. Raw numbers are. Regardless of what you think people will value, when there are men who are making multiple women unavailable, there just aren't enough women anymore. The math won't work, no matter what "variations" you try. It's like musical chairs: no matter what tune you play, there's a guaranteed loser. And he's going to cause trouble.
I think the only problem here, is that now all your other arguments have been dismissed as straw, you'd like to revert to figures as a last defence, despite not actually knowing what they are, the ratio of male to female on this planet isn't equal, it never has been, your world apparently requires one to one across the board or everything falls apart, thats quite an absurd claim as its not the world youre living in
