why legallizing pot won't work

[Nie Trink Wasser]

"eww disgusting! my cancerous body is insulted !"

http://www.cjad.com/content/cjad_news/article.asp?id=n091543A
OTTAWA (CP) - Some of the first patients to smoke Health Canada's government-approved marijuana say it's "disgusting" and want their money back.

"It's totally unsuitable for human consumption," said Jim Wakeford, 58, an AIDS patient in Gibsons, B.C. "It gave me a slight buzziness for about three to five minutes, and that was it. I got no other effect from it."

there can never be a government regulated form of pot that will satisfy anyone. It'll never be potent enough, just as moonshine has much more alcohol in it, it sure isnt legal.

just think about how cool it would be, DUDE, to have extremely potent and legal marijuana out there for people to crash cars on ! Im sure the gov will support that !

wow man ! phish rules !

 

[Tmy]

Shouldnt this be in your govt ineptitued thread. THey cant even get a joint right!


Yknow you never hear stories about stoned drivers taking out a bus full of nuns. I think the whole danger about driving while stoned is really exaggerated propaganda.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Yknow you never hear stories about stoned drivers taking out a bus full of nuns. I think the whole danger about driving while stoned is really exaggerated propaganda. [/B]

well...you may call it propaganda, but Ive had a few friends get too stoned and wreck their cars like idiots because they can't function properly.

 

[Ziggurat]

well...you may call it propaganda, but Ive had a few friends get too stoned and wreck their cars like idiots because they can't function properly.

So are you in favor of prohibition, seeing as how so many people not only crash their cars but also kill innocent bystanders by getting drunk? Or would consistency in your position be too much to ask?

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Or would consistency in your position be too much to ask? [/B]

Mind your manners or else I'll insult you as well.

So are you in favor of prohibition, seeing as how so many people not only crash their cars but also kill innocent bystanders by getting drunk?

I favor the legalization of marijuana, but I feel that illegal pot will always exist, just as illegal alcohol will always exist. All of those people in prison for illegal pot will more than likely still be there when a legal form of pot comes on the market.

There are prescription drugs that have the same effect as marijuana.

doesnt corn silk have thc in it as well ?

 

[jj]

So are you in favor of prohibition, seeing as how so many people not only crash their cars but also kill innocent bystanders by getting drunk? Or would consistency in your position be too much to ask?

N T has no point.
He likes to troll for his lunch.
Position? Donkey!

 

[Tony]

Old people call it "pot".

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

N T has no point.
He likes to troll for his lunch.
Position? Donkey!

troll.

Each time you perfrom like this in my threads, I want it to be noticed by the forum as a demonstration of hypocrisy perpetuated by many people here.

you are a troll. not me.

 

[Suddenly]

there can never be a government regulated form of pot that will satisfy anyone. It'll never be potent enough, just as moonshine has much more alcohol in it, it sure isnt legal.

Grain alcohol is generally around 190 proof and last I checked can still be bought in stores. I doubt the legality of moonshine is a potency issue, it's a regulatory issue. A tax issue. Bootleggers didn't run 'shine because it was more potent, they did it it avoid the taxes of the federal government.

just think about how cool it would be, DUDE, to have extremely potent and legal marijuana out there for people to crash cars on ! Im sure the gov will support that !

Not a question of support. It is unfortunate that making something legal is equal to supporting that thing in the minds of many. Just because someone may possibly misuse something is hardly a reason to ban it.

For example, people wreck cars because of fatigue. Would you be in favor of state mandated bedtimes?

wow man ! phish rules !

They're not bad.

 

[Upchurch]

just as illegal alcohol will always exist.

Wait a sec, what illegal alcohol?

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Re: Re: why legallizing pot won't work

Grain alcohol is generally around 190 proof and last I checked can still be bought in stores. I doubt the legality of moonshine is a potency issue, it's a regulatory issue. A tax issue. Bootleggers didn't run 'shine because it was more potent, they did it it avoid the taxes of the federal government.

are you so sure ? I've had moonshine that has a hell of a lot more alcohol-effect than what Ive gotten in the store. The bootleggers stand by their story that it has more alcohol than anything on the market.

you're point is that they're doing it so avoid paying taxes, but wouldnt that be the same case for pot harvesting ?

it will always be a problem, just as it is now.

[/B] Not a question of support. It is unfortunate that making something legal is equal to supporting that thing in the minds of many. Just because someone may possibly misuse something is hardly a reason to ban it.

that's why its regulated to avoid easy abuse and this doesnt make very many people happy.

For example, people wreck cars because of fatigue. Would you be in favor of state mandated bedtimes?

yeah you're right. potent drugs don't encourage bad performance behind a vehicle.

They're not bad. [/B]

Im afraid they are bad.

 

[Tony]

Re: Re: Re: why legallizing pot won't work

are you so sure ? I've had moonshine that has a hell of a lot more alcohol-effect than what Ive gotten in the store. The bootleggers stand by their story that it has more alcohol than anything on the market.

Yes he is sure, the liquor of which he speaks is called "Everclear". It is 190 proof (95% alcohol).

 

[Suddenly]

Re: Re: Re: why legallizing pot won't work

are you so sure ? I've had moonshine that has a hell of a lot more alcohol-effect than what Ive gotten in the store. The bootleggers stand by their story that it has more alcohol than anything on the market.

Can you at least accept that if one can legally buy 190 proof (95% pure) alcohol in stores, that this makes it unlikely that moonshine is more "potent" than anything on the market? Ever have a shot of grain? Anyone who wants something more pure is either insane or fueling a rocket.

yeah you're right. potent drugs don't encourage bad performance behind a vehicle.

I never made the claim you attribute to me. Of course potent drugs when misused can result in poor driving.

I said there are things other than pot that can cause people to drive poorly. Are you in favor of government regulation of those things as well? If not, why are these different. One example is fatigue. Should the government regulate the sleep habits of drivers? Or are you willing to let people make their own decisions and be resposible for the outcome?

 

[LW]

Re: Re: why legallizing pot won't work

Grain alcohol is generally around 190 proof

That's no proof. That's at most circumstantial evidence.

Sorry, always wanted to say that.

 

[DaChew]

What's the problem with the government pot? Is it not potent enough or a harsh smoke or what? I'm not sure I understand what the criticism is. My question concerning medical marijuana is: How do they measure the dosage? How do you maintain consistant dosage. I'm assuming that medical marijuana is subject to the same type of scrutiny that prescription drugs are and if not, why not?

Also, the moonshine business is almost a perfect example of how legalization reduces crime. Organized crime exited the illegal booze business the second prohibition was repealed because the there was no longer high profits once competition from massive distilleries and breweries opened. There are still illegal "moonshine" operations running but compared to the illegal pot market it's completely insignificant. The trouble with moonshine is that it's not necessarily JUST alcohol in it that's giving you the buzz. It could be laced with all kinds of things that would definitely hit you harder than grain alcohol. A little wood alcohol comes to mind as well as any number of narcotics.

 

[fishbob]

1. Everclear tastes like bad chemistry. The only reason to put in in your mouth is to shut down your brain. The one sample of moonshine I had years ago tasted pretty good - sort of like good quality bourbon.

2. Anybody that drives in a self-induced impaired condition is endangering the general public. Those persons should have their opportunity to drive removed.

3. The illegal drugs business is big money the operators; provides massive funding for huge bureaucracies; and creates jobs for law enforcement, the courts, and the prisons. Drug prohibition is way too profitable for way too many organizations. So the system is not upset if the government provides poor quality goods.

 

[reprise]

I seriously question whether legalising marijuana here would have that greater impact on crime levels. The only things I can see convincing your average pot smoker here to buy the legal product would be a cost advantage or superior quality. Somehow, I can't see the government pricing it lower than it is currently obtainable illegally, and just as there is a huge illegal tobacco market here I suspect that there would remain a large market for illegal dope.

 

[Segnosaur]

What's the problem with the government pot? Is it not potent enough or a harsh smoke or what? I'm not sure I understand what the criticism is.

If you read the article, you'd notice that:

Laboratory tests indicate the Health Canada product has only about three per cent THC - not the 10.2 per cent advertised - and contains contaminants such as lead and arsenic, said spokesman Philippe Lucas of Victoria.

Also, the moonshine business is almost a perfect example of how legalization reduces crime.

Well, technically, leagalizing anything reduces crime, since the thing that was illegal before isn't. (If I legalized stealing, it would reduce crime because nobody would be a criminal for stealing anymore.)

The question should be, does legalization increase or decrease usage, and does it increase or decrease risks to society.

 

[Tony]

I seriously question whether legalising marijuana here would have that greater impact on crime levels. The only things I can see convincing your average pot smoker here to buy the legal product would be a cost advantage or superior quality. Somehow, I can't see the government pricing it lower than it is currently obtainable illegally, and just as there is a huge illegal tobacco market here I suspect that there would remain a large market for illegal dope.

Illegal tabacco market?..

Interesting...

 

[GroundStrength]

well...you may call it propaganda, but Ive had a few friends get too stoned and wreck their cars like idiots because they can't function properly.

Yeah, what were they going 4mph?