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Why is there a "now"?

There is one other significant distinction between space and time. We cannot say that any point in space has absolute coordinates; no point can be identified as being in the center of the universe, for example. But -- we can and do say the universe is 13.75 ± 0.17 billion years old, which implies that, if our science were more exact, we could say that we are at a particular instant in time in the history of the universe. So, space coordinates are relative, time coordinates are absolute.
It is also significant that we can say how old the universe is but not how big it is. In some ways time seems to be more concrete than space.

Albeit stretchy. Macdoc is right that the elapsed "seconds" since that point in time will vary with your frame of reference (due to relativistic effects). But your point still exists that physics postulates that there WAS a specific point in time when it all began, even if time's tapemeasures for how much has elapsed since are somewhat elastic. Space is also stretchy, but we don't have any absolute x,y,z point that is distinct from any other as an origin.

I'm not sure if this is connected to why "now" is different, but thanks for throwing it into the mix; I hadn't considered that there might be a link.

Aside: I have to say that I don't really understand the early part of the big bang, in the following sense: as you approach the event horizon of a black hole, your time dilation relative to the rest of the universe approaches infinity just as it would if you approached the speed of light, right? So the early universe should have had density levels and resultant gravitational distortions of time which reach and exceed those of a black hole. So a femtosecond could correspond to a trillion years (and that's not even very close to "infinite" dilation). I've not seen a (popularized for the intelligent layman) description of the early events (of which I've read more than a few) which takes relativistic time and space distortions into account, yet I'm sure those who spend their lives on these things must have done so. I have followed the math into the derivation and implications of special relativity, but not into general relativity, which is needed. When you mix in the more obscure interactions with quantum mechanics, I have to rely on others to do the heavy lifting while I ask questions. Anyway, I bring this up to bring up the possibility that the time elapsed since the big bang might be VERY stretchy, if time dilation was near infinite in the first phases. Or maybe not.

Zeph
 
My father explained this to me in a way a 10-year-old could understand, and whether right or wrong, it's always stuck with me.

Zero dimension is a mathematical point (I mean a dot with zero width and length). If you slide it along, it creates a one dimensional object, a line, which has length but zero width. The point is only aware of itself moving along, but from our view in a higher-dimensional world, we can look down and see the shape of the whole two-dimensional line it created.

One dimension is a line. If you slide it along (sideways), it creates a two dimensional object, a plane. The line is only aware of itself moving along, but from our view in a higher-dimensional world, we can see the plane it created.

Two dimensions is a plane. If you slide it along (again, sideways, outside of its own dimension), it creates a three dimensional object, a cube. The plane is only aware of itself moving along, but from our view in a three... wait, in a four-dimensional world, we can see the cube it created.

Three dimensions is, well, us. If you slide us along (um, outside our own dimension), it creates a four-dimensional object, a--uh, no name for it. We're only aware of ourself moving along, but from the view of something in the fifth dimensional world, it could see the four dimensional object that our motion created. So rather than being a globe, for example, the earth would look something like a slinky.

Thus, the concept of moving through time is part of our awareness only because we can't "look at" ourselves from any higher dimension than the fourth dimension that we live in.

At that age, this seemed like a very cool explanation. I thought Flatland was cool too.
 
It is a cool explanation. And it might even be at least partly right.

Or it may beg the question by rephrasing it without resolution. I might rephrase my question to: why is there a unique and special plane sweeping at a consistent speed through only the T dimension, and upon which all of conscious beings seem to be trapped? The shared "now" is that plane. And nothing in modern science seems to be able to explain or even describe this one moving plane (shared by all of us) so unique and special. In that framing, your father's answer is sort of "it just is". We as conscious beings have this rather mysterious "moving now point" relationship to the "frozen river" which "just is" in a way that is beyond examination through science. Your father's explanation addresses to some degree the question "why can't we perceive the whole history at once", but not "why is there one special 'now' cursor sweeping through the history"?

It's pretty good tho, and you were lucky to have such an intellectually stimulating father.
 
Your father's explanation addresses to some degree the question "why can't we perceive the whole history at once", but not "why is there one special 'now' cursor sweeping through the history"?

Exactly. Why is there a perception of movement, rather than simply a lack of ability to perceive that final dimension? I don't know.
 
What does "moving around in space" mean if there's no such thing as time?

I'm afraid you are implying that, if there was no such thing as time, then nothing could move. I think there's a hidden assumption, expressed in another post with the analogy of a read head, that suggests, if there's no time, then the read head is stationary, and the universe is frozen.

But the read head analogy is fundamentally flawed. I'm asserting that there's no "tape" with the future or past always present, and no "read head" moving along it. That implies our time is nested inside an outer time and space where the tape exists and where a read head can move. The past is gone except for our memories, and the future is yet to exist. Just because we have ways to record, say, audio or video, doesn't mean the universe does anything similar. Perhaps we are projecting this type of mechanism on the universe -- kind of like when we said the world was on a turtle's back. We knew turtles, so we projected them onto the universe. We know recording technology, so we project it out there. I'd like some evidence that the universe works this way before I elaborate it. That would be like discussing the complex family structure of the pink unicorns in my garage. Just because we can imagine it...
 
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Exactly. Why is there a perception of movement, rather than simply a lack of ability to perceive that final dimension? I don't know.

Well, it was useful for us to evolve predictive intelligence. We remember where a tiger has been (past/memory), we see where it is now (present/sense), we predict it will have its teeth and claws in us in a moment (future/imagination) unless we take action we can rehearse in our minds (asserting control of the future). Just because our brains do this, doesn't mean the universe does this too. Only the present is real. The past and future are constructed by our brains.
 
I don't believe our sense of consciousness has the same intense feeling of position in space as it does a point in time. Perhaps that's just me and maybe this is more a philosophical/psychological question than it is one of physics.

There is a psychological aspect to that, which is the apparent continuity of identity. See below.

There is one other significant distinction between space and time. We cannot say that any point in space has absolute coordinates; no point can be identified as being in the center of the universe, for example. But -- we can and do say the universe is 13.75 ± 0.17 billion years old, which implies that, if our science were more exact, we could say that we are at a particular instant in time in the history of the universe. So, space coordinates are relative, time coordinates are absolute.

That's related to the reason time only goes in one direction, actually. I don't think it means time is absolute, but it does mean that at least near the point in spacetime where I'm typing this, there is a definite asymmetry in the time direction.

Thanks, Sol, for that perspective. However, I don't actually see "now" as simply the time analog of "here", except rather superficially.

To return to my CD analogy, there "appears" to be only one "read head" in time, moving more or less synchronously for all the conscious beings we encounter.

If my 'here' is at X, it's completely normal and expected for your 'here' to be at X+5, and somebody else's 'here' to be at X-27. (In fact, your X,Y,Z not only can but pretty much HAVE to be different than mine!). And we can and do all move our "here" freely around in X, forward, backward, crossing each other's X. So there's no special X.

In T, nobody seems to locate their "now" at T+5 or T-27. So far as we know, except in fiction nobody experiences the unfolding of the the universe a few hours earlier than others. We seem to have no choice except to all occupy the same T as our shared "now"; we can't each independently move our personal 'now' around in T. That single inflexibly moving time location which we all share as our "now" IS a very special T of which there is no analog in space.

Instead of thinking about a person, think of a computer program executing itself at some clock rate. At each tick of the clock its state changes, so it is a sequence of discrete states, separated in time. To make things easier to picture, imagine the computer is a 2D "flatland" computer, an infinitely thin slice.

Now imagine instead of being separated in time, the computer's states are separated in space. There are a trillion copies of the slice-computer, separated from each other by one meter in the 3rd direction. Naturally, you are now thinking of those other slices as different computers existing at the same time, when you thought of the slices in time as the same computer at different times. But why do you think that? Let's go on....

Instead of separate disconnected slices separated in space, stack the slices continuously. As an observer moves along the tube of stacked slices in that third direction, every meter or so the state on the 2D slice suddenly changes (as it does in time for an ideal computer, when the clock ticks).

Now imagine the computer's state can and does change continuously as you move along the stack, just as a real computer's state does in time (as opposed to an ideal computer that's always in one of a set of discrete states).

Probably you can see that this tube is nearly a perfect analogy to the flow of time - except now it's a "flow" of space. "Now" is simply the slice "here". The computer could perfectly well be a (2D) person, with a mental and physical states that evolves in time - or in this 3rd direction.

A sense of time passing is represented in this tube if the sequence of mental states of the 2D person is such that they experience such a flow - that is, if the person at slice x=1 feels like the continuation of the person at slice x=0. It's our sense of continuity of identity, the sense that we are the same person we were yesterday, that creates the idea that time is fundamentally different from space.

If I step into a Star Trek transporter and (due to a glitch) two copies of me are produced, we'd think of those as two different people - but we think of ourselves yesterday as the same person, despite the fact that our yesterday self might be more different from us than our newly produced clone self. I think this psychological prejudice is what lies behind most of your question.
 
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Because if there wasn't, we wouldn't have a word for it, and you never would have asked.

Which is another way of saying "it just is":

Q: "Why do stars shine?"
A: "Because if they didn't you wouldn't see them and ask the question."

If such answers satisfy you, fine; but I'm looking for some additional level of understanding, just as science has sought with stellar dynamics.

(yes I do get that you are invoking the same answer that some offer for cosmological questions like why do the essential constants of the universe have such convenient values - because perhaps among all possible universes, only those (or maybe this single one) with such values can give rise to intelligent life which can ask the question. I'm still hoping we don't have to fall back on such catch-all default answer as the best we can come up with.)
 
My belief is the the universe possibly operates like a vast free-running (unclocked) cellular automaton. "now" is just the present state of the the automaton. As we can see change happen, and have memory of the previous state of the machine, we of course would see that as something like time.

So time travel becomes ridiculous as time is not a dimension, but a perception of change of state.
 
But the read head analogy is fundamentally flawed. I'm asserting that there's no "tape" with the future or past always present, and no "read head" moving along it. That implies our time is nested inside an outer time and space where the tape exists and where a read head can move. The past is gone except for our memories, and the future is yet to exist. Just because we have ways to record, say, audio or video, doesn't mean the universe does anything similar. Perhaps we are projecting this type of mechanism on the universe -- kind of like when we said the world was on a turtle's back. We knew turtles, so we projected them onto the universe. We know recording technology, so we project it out there. I'd like some evidence that the universe works this way before I elaborate it. That would be like discussing the complex family structure of the pink unicorns in my garage. Just because we can imagine it...

In Light's frame of reference, all time exists in the present.
Light's frame of reference is a CD
 
I've been seduced by the argument that there really is no real physical thing we call "time." There's just stuff moving around. So "now" is all there is. There isn't any past or future -- they are abstract semantic constructs.

However, I will listen to arguments (or evidence) that "time" is a real thing and not an abstraction we've invented.
Ah, but if there is no past or future how do you explain a photon from a past astronomical event that is on it's way toward Earth? When it reaches us we see the past event. Before it gets to us it has a future. After it leaves us it has a future somewhere else.

Then there is the twin paradox. If the twin travelling near the speed of light experiences time differently than the twin who is only moving at the speed of the Earth's rotation and orbit, then two different "nows" must exist. How else could those two "nows" end up out of sync with each other?
 
My belief is the the universe possibly operates like a vast free-running (unclocked) cellular automaton. "now" is just the present state of the the automaton. As we can see change happen, and have memory of the previous state of the machine, we of course would see that as something like time.

Does not follow down to quantum very well Ben
Try the Sci-am article....take with aspirin
 
I'm afraid you are implying that, if there was no such thing as time, then nothing could move.
No, I'm saying that we have a phenomenon that we call motion that we can only understand in the context of a dimension that we call time.

Given, that, the hypothesis that this dimension exists is the best one that we have.

To put it another way, time is an integral part of the way the laws of physics are framed. The simplest explanation for that is because it is real.

The past is gone except for our memories, and the future is yet to exist. Just because we have ways to record, say, audio or video, doesn't mean the universe does anything similar.
What you seem to be saying is that the past and future don't exist. That's true, but the past existed and the future will exist. And there's not anything particularly special about the present that I can see.

So I don't really see your point.
 

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