Why is homosexuality wrong?

[DoubtingStephen]

Well put. So presumably every time my wife and I reconsummate, we're making baby Jesus cry,

And isn't it just a grand thing to do, this making the Baby Jesus cry? I'm sure nobody in this thread wants to make any other babies cry, but it seems as though all of the things that make the Baby Jesus (sometimes called BJ) cry are so much fun!

If I understand the rules correctly, even a young person alone in their bedroom has options available for BJ cry-sourcing.

I had an Aunt who married for the first time very late in life, and she was already beyond child bearing age. Now this Aunt and my Uncle were very devout Catholics. Do you suppose the Catholic Church is involved in some kind of a sinister plot to Destroy the Sanctity of Marriage by allowing couples that are not capable of procreation to marry anyway?

 

[Darat]

...snip...

I had an Aunt who married for the first time very late in life, and she was already beyond child bearing age. Now this Aunt and my Uncle were very devout Catholics. Do you suppose the Catholic Church is involved in some kind of a sinister plot to Destroy the Sanctity of Marriage by allowing couples that are not capable of procreation to marry anyway?

The RC answer to this boils down to: It is up to God as to whether they will conceive a child - yes it would require a miracle but that's apparently in God's remit.

 

[Lonewulf]

By that argument, it's up to God whether or not a homosexual couple will have a child or not.

Sure, it would take a miracle, but...

 

[Darat]

Sure you would think they'd follow the logic of their reasoning through but of course they don't since it isn't really logic - just some theology dressed up to look superficially like a position that's been rationally arrived at.

 

[Erin]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

I only popped in to see why such a question would be asked.
I'm glad I did. Great answers, folks!
As for you guys and lesbians - they don't even have to be lesbians... Go on admit it!

 

[Greatest I am]

I have yet to hear a good, well-reasoned, secular argument as to why homosexuality is wrong.

I have posted at various places and still wait.
Secular or not, I have yet to have anyone give any good arguement.

Regards
DL

 

[ponderingturtle]

And isn't it just a grand thing to do, this making the Baby Jesus cry? I'm sure nobody in this thread wants to make any other babies cry, but it seems as though all of the things that make the Baby Jesus (sometimes called BJ) cry are so much fun!

If I understand the rules correctly, even a young person alone in their bedroom has options available for BJ cry-sourcing.

You know using BJ for Baby Jesus in a sex thread will lead to people trying to figure out what oral sex cry sourcing means. It sounds really kinky.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Sure you would think they'd follow the logic of their reasoning through but of course they don't since it isn't really logic - just some theology dressed up to look superficially like a position that's been rationally arrived at.

Exactly it is rationalized not rational.

 

[zombiebex]

Leviticus 11:10-19 - (6) "But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is an abomination to you. They shall remain an abomination to you; of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall have in abomination. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is an abomination to you."

Aww. Lobster bisque = eternal damnation

Leviticus 11:41 "Every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth is an abomination; it shall not be eaten."

But eating the vomit of swarming things is A-OK!

Deuteronomy 17:1 "You shall not sacrifice to the LORD your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever; for that is an abomination to the LORD your God."

Dude, I haven't been sacrificing anything, is that worse?

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "When you come into the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations.

Respecting the beliefs of other cultures while visiting them = eternal damnation

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and sabbath and the calling of assemblies--I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

Patchouli= eternal damnation
Someone probably should have told the wise men.

Deuteronomy 22:5 "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God."

Oh, now I'm really screwed.

 

[wolfgirl]

I have yet to hear a good, well-reasoned, secular argument as to why homosexuality is wrong.

Exactly! To quote myself : I have yet to have anyone give me a rational explanation for why homosexuality is wrong that doesn't involve religion. Because there is no rational human reason why people shouldn't be allowed to be with whomever they want to be with. The only reason is because someone's invisible friend doesn't like it. And we base our laws on this! And ruin people's lives because of it! Unbelievable!

 

[Lonewulf]

But eating the vomit of swarming things is A-OK!

My first response was, "WTF? Vomit?"

Then I remembered.

Honey, I remembered.

 

[bruto]

Hey, wait a second: didn't John the Baptist eat locusts? Uh....oh! Abomina-ti-o!

 

[Doc Daneeka]

People who still insist that homosexuality is a free choice intrigue me. I deal with it very simply, by asking that they prove their position.

I offer to allow them to do so by asking them to freely choose to be homosexual for, oh, say, the next half hour or so.

Stick that in your sock and smoke it.

Yes, I've made this point many times. Almost invariably, the response is "Well, I wouldn't choose that."

 

[XenonII]

Oh gurl, you do go on, don't you?

Could we agree on "festive" then?

Or possibly "fabulous"?

Well I am not a girl but that is a "gay" thing isn't it calling men girls?

 

[XenonII]

Is it Numbers 31 where God commands the extermination of the Midians or just keeping the virgins?

I don't know, why don't you look it up? I fail to see what the relevance is however concering the sin of homosexuality.

 

[XenonII]

Xenon's claims:

1) Homosexuality is a mental disorder.
2) There is some sort of "gay agenda", a sort of rainbow-colored Illuminati group that wants to take over the world. (Wonder if they're working with the jews?)
3) The APA said it's not a mental disorder thanks to this evil conspiracy group.
4) Homosexuals are child molesters.
5) "Marriage" is a "privilege", probably up to him to pass out to other people.
6) Gay people aren't really happy.

For evidence, he sites such sources as NARTH. http://www.narth.com/#

So, the question is, should I even try to argue with someone like this?

1) Homosexuality was always understood to be a mental disorder before homosexual activists successfully lobeyed to have it declassifed as such. Because of homosexual pressure the APA voted on whether to continue classifying homosexuality as a mental illnesss. 48% voted that homosexuality should continue to be regarded as a mental illness.

2) There isn't a "Gay Agenda"? Why is there so-called "gay rights" groups then? Do these groups not have an agenda? Do these groups not want to legalize so-called same-sex "marriage"? Are these groups not seeking to normalize homosexuality within society? Teach school kids that it is "OK" to be "gay"? The "Gay" Agenda is very real. It is militant and in your face. There is obviously a "Gay" Agenda and it is not a healthy agenda. It is a destructive agenda that threatens to destroy marriage. Marriage is the bedrock of society. Destroy that and you will destroy society itself.

As for the comment about Jews I believe they are not only involved they are in the thick of it. Conservatives will tell you that the liberals control the media in the United States and that is obviously true, but what many will shy away from is just what kind of liberals these people are. Well do the research for yourself. It is readily available and surprise surprise those liberals that have such a stanglehold on America's media are Jews. Many of them are Jews. Many of them are homosexuals. And many of them are Jewish homosexuals. Now is the liberal media "gay" friendly and promotes the homosexual agenda? You bet!

Incidently, the leading psychologist within the APA that lead the charge to normalize the mental illness of homosexuality Dr Spitzer was a Jew and it is interesting to note also that since Disney has sucumbed to domination by liberal Jews, all sorts of depravity has been allowed to take place at Disney Land. After allowing "gay days" for years Disney's latest attack on the American family and public decency is holding same-sex "wedding ceremonies"!

3) See 1).

4) Not all homosexuals are child molestors but homosexuals are far more likely to molest children than a heterosexual person. Homosexuals also molest more victims per molestor than heterosexuals. Homosexuals commit up to 1/3rd of all child molestations which is quite a lot when you take into account they only make up 1-2% of the population. Presuming "gays" are 2% of the population it means that 1 in 20 are child molestors when only 1 heterosexual in 490 is a child molestor.

5) Marriage is a privelege not a right and no one is denying the homosexual the "right" to marry someone of the opposite sex. A real marriage is between one man and one woman. A homosexual is not allowed to marry a person of the same sex but neither is a heterosexual. No right is being denied to the homosexual because no right to so-called same-sex "marriage" exists. That's not to say technically of course that all homosexual marriages are banned. A "gay" man can still marry a "lesbian" and there you go, a homosexual marriage and all perfectly legal!

6) Statistics speak for themselves. If "gay" (really SSAD) people are so happy why do they commit suicide, abuse drugs and alcohol and have mental disorders at rates far in excess of the general population? If homosexuality is not a mental illness why do its sufferers parade about the streets flaunting their sin with "gay" abandon? They take pride in being sinners. "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 6:15. Homosexuality is nothing to celebrate! They prance around in public half naked simulating and engaging in various unnatural and perverse sex acts. Is that not the behavior of someone with a serious mental illness?

 

[Complexity]

The answer, Lonewulf, is no - he's not worth bothering with.

Let him stew in his own juices.

Rather than argue with him, have fun doing something he really hates.

 

[XenonII]

By definition?
[/LIST]Nope. Nowhere does the definition say that. Sounds like the guy you quote is an idiot.


Really?!? You are trying to get people to call homosexual's Sad instead of gay? that's the gayest thing I have ever heard.


I can only assume this is a joke. I can't imagine how anyone would claim to follow christ and have such hatred. Unless, of course, they are a heretic.

Anal sex is not healthy or wholesome. Two people of the same sex can not procreate, neither can a man and a woman who engage in anal sex. If people were supposed to be homosexuals there wouldn't be two genders and if everyone was a homosexual the human races would become extinct! Anal sex is also the leading cause of the spread of AIDS. It is a highly unsafe and unhealthy practice. It is interesting to note also that condoms are not manufactured with such a perversion of sexuality in mind.

Same sex attraction is a disorder called SSAD. Homosexuality is a behavior that those with SSAD often engage in. Of course not everyone who has SSAD engages in homosexuality and not everyone who suffers from SSAD is a homosexual. A homosexual is not a homosexual until they engage in same sex sexual BEHAVIOR.

I don't have hatred I'm just a strong believer in the Bible. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin, a heretical view would be claiming that the Bible is fine with such an abominable lifestyle choice.

 

[XenonII]

XenonII's mind is so closed that he won't consider the possibility that the statistics he quoted are fictious, so I won't even address his position.

Instead, I want to say that I really like the JREF board. If I popped into a Christian fundie board and made the claim that fundamantalist preachers account for a tiny percentage of the population and also account for more than 33% of all reported child molestations, I'd be banned faster than a blink of an eye. The JREF philosophy that all points of view (short of libel and other criminal statements) should stand or fall based only on their merits is a worthy point of view.

There are statistics to back up the claim that 33% of all child molestations are commited by homosexuals. These facts are not just pulled out of thin air for the fun of it.

Sir, this is a thread about homosexuality. Can only viewpoints that agree with homosexuality be expressed? What ever happened to free speech? Could it be that your mind is closed to the true nature of homosexuality through endless liberal indoctrination that you won't consider that these statistics about homosexals and child molestation are true?

A homosexual is an individual that engages in sexual activity with a member of ones own sex are they not? Is that not a definition of homosexuality? Up to 1/3rd of child molestations are commited by men engaging in sexual relations with boys. That is homosexual pedophilia. It's not just consenting adults that engage in homosexual behavior.

 

[XenonII]

So all the Christian churches that now embrace homosexuals as equals will collectively go to hell.

How droll.

Homosexuality has no victims.
Bestiality does and incest does.
How can they all have the same penalty.
Where is the balance of justice?

Regards
DL

All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. Embracing homosexuals is one thing, they are equals but denying what they do is a sin is another. Homosexuals are unrepetent sinners and I wouldn't call a church that doesn't consider homosexuality a sin a true Christian church I would call that church a "gay' church and full of the devil. Homosexuality is a sin. God makes up the rules, he has declared it a sin and it is not up to us to challenge his authority or attempt to play God. We have to accept him and follow his commandments or face the consequences. It is our free choice to make but at the same time we have a duty to warn those what will happen if they continue on in their wicked sinful ways.