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Why is homosexuality wrong?

Mashuna said:
Prove it.
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Why are you willing to engage in this?

I can go back to the posts where you explain your skeptical attitude to life. Of course you can always say that you dropped that. That you are a born-again FSM follower.

But we both know that you know you are kidding.

No more comments from me on the attempt to prove you that you are joking.
 
I just wanted to profess my love for FSM also.

I know FSM loves me because every time I eat her, I get a warm feeling in my belly.
 
JetLeg said:
Well, I know that you pretend looking at your other posts, and seeing that you would require evidence to believe in something.
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Perhaps I am the person to whom you addressed this?

If, as you say, I require evidence to believe something (true) how does this relate to your claim that I pretend? I fail to follow your meaning.


JetLeg said:
Uhm, there are plenty of people who say they feel God's love. Do you really think they are all pretending? You didn't in your other posts - you called them delusional, not pretending.
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To pretend is to claim something is true while knowing it is false, listen to any speech from Our Glorious Christian Leader for an example.

To be delusional is to believe a thing is true when in fact it is not true, for example some people believe we invaded Iraq because we thought they were trying to build nukular weapons. We never thought any such thing.

The people who claimed the Iraqis were trying to, or actually building nukular weapons were pretending. The people who believed these lies were delusional.

Now moving back to the original point of this thread, the people who claim they are not gay even though they constantly fantasize about same gender sex are pretending.

And the people that believe that a person is not gay except while having gay sex are delusional.

And the people who think some Imaginary Bearded Sky Daddy hateseses gay people might well be both pretending and delusional at the same time. They may be pretending their Imaginary Bearded Sky Daddy actually holds such views while being delusional that it exists in the first place.
 
Skibum said:
I just wanted to profess my love for FSM also.

I know FSM loves me because every time I eat her, I get a warm feeling in my belly.
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pshew.


I'll call YOU later Skibum... to ah, worship. For, uh, church... yeah.
 
JetLeg said:
Why are you willing to engage in this?

I can go back to the posts where you explain your skeptical attitude to life. Of course you can always say that you dropped that. That you are a born-again FSM follower.

But we both know that you know you are kidding.

No more comments from me on the attempt to prove you that you are joking.
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JetLeg, the specific joking around isn't what is important here. It is the careful process that YOU are putting yourself through trying to figure out if we are telling the truth or not.

Of course we aren't! And you are clever enough to know that. But do you use that very valuable critical thinking skill when you evaluate your own feelings and beliefs?

That's our point.

And also, I like the worship business. It's cool. Particularly Skibum's brand of worship.
:)
 
JetLeg said:
Why are you willing to engage in this?

I can go back to the posts where you explain your skeptical attitude to life. Of course you can always say that you dropped that. That you are a born-again FSM follower.

But we both know that you know you are kidding.

No more comments from me on the attempt to prove you that you are joking.
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Wait, I thought you were the person who claimed that things were true because you, and only you, believed them to be so.

When people pointed out that this was ridiculous, you challenged them to prove that it wasn't the case. You've even gone as far to claim that if they can't disprove it, it's equally likely to be true as false.

Now just because I'm asserting something that you consider to be ridiculous, surely you're not claiming that it can't be true?

I mean, if we can ignore assertions just because there's no evidence for them, and plenty of evidence against, where would that leave your claims?


or, to put it another way, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the FSM
 
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Mashuna said:
Wait, I thought you were the person who claimed that things were true because you, and only you, believed them to be so.

When people pointed out that this was ridiculous, you challenged them to prove that it wasn't the case. You've even gone as far to claim that if they can't disprove it, it's equally likely to be true as false.

Now just because I'm asserting something that you consider to be ridiculous, surely you're not claiming that it can't be true?

I mean, if we can ignore assertions just because there's no evidence for them, and plenty of evidence against, where would that leave your claims?
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If you remember, I asserted this for me, not for the other people. If I would assert that the feelings of everyone can lead to the truth, I would be in a contradiction.
 
JetLeg said:
If you remember, I asserted this for me, not for the other people. If I would assert that the feelings of everyone can lead to the truth, I would be in a contradiction.
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Yes, I understand that there's no contradiction. I'm saying that your claim is as ridiculous as mine, and when called on this you asked people to disprove it.

I'm doing exactly the same thing, and you're refusing to engage because my claim is so ridiculous. There's no contradiction in my claim either.
 
Well, then hold on:

I love you too, JetLeg.

I really do. You are brave and strong in your struggles to understand your faith. I have looked upon your soul with mine eyes and I see that you are lovely. I love all of us ratty, torn up humans struggling for peace and understanding.

I love you.

Do you feel it? Because I mean it.

And I'm telling you that I'm a god.

Do you believe in me? Do you feel my love?

(I know that this post will likely live in infamy, but I'm posting it anyway.)
 
FSM said:
And also, I like the worship business. It's cool. Particularly Skibum's brand of worship.
:)
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If Skibum is a male, don't forget we don't tolerate non-gay worship in this thread!
 
Mashuna,

But you are bluffing, you are making your claim up. You are not really worshipping FSM.
 
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JetLeg said:
If you remember, I asserted this for me, not for the other people. If I would assert that the feelings of everyone can lead to the truth, I would be in a contradiction.
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So if I'm understanding you correctly, it seems you are saying that if you feel some certain way, it proves that your feelings reflect reality. For example you feel that your Imaginary Bearded Sky Daddy loves you, ergo said Sky Daddy exists, but remains invisible, has no weight or mass, no velocity, and is not affected by gravity or ambient temperature. Oh an radiation. How about Kryptonite?

But if other people feel a certain way, for example I feel that all this talk about invisible super beings who exist outside the realm of where everything that exists exists is just bollocks, well, that means nothing.

I'll certainly agree that my sense of whether or not an invisible being exists does not cause any such being to exist or not exist. I think I was 7 years old when I realized that my feelings did not result in the instantaneous transformation of reality. Maybe 5.
 
hcmom said:
If Skibum is a male, don't forget we don't tolerate non-gay worship in this thread!
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Damn it! You know what's funny? I didn't even ask if Skibum was male or female... ALL may worship FSM... oh yesssss my children.
 
DoubtingStephen said:
So if I'm understanding you correctly, it seems you are saying that if you feel some certain way, it proves that your feelings reflect reality. For example you feel that your Imaginary Bearded Sky Daddy loves you, ergo said Sky Daddy exists, but remains invisible, has no weight or mass, no velocity, and is not affected by gravity or ambient temperature. Oh an radiation. How about Kryptonite?

But if other people feel a certain way, for example I feel that all this talk about invisible super beings who exist outside the realm of where everything that exists exists is just bollocks, well, that means nothing.

I'll certainly agree that my sense of whether or not an invisible being exists does not cause any such being to exist or not exist. I think I was 7 years old when I realized that my feelings did not result in the instantaneous transformation of reality. Maybe 5.
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Do you have strong evidence that my feelings are not a good way to know if god exists or not?
 
Nope.

And I don't have strong evidence to know that my daughter's feelings about Santa are a good way to know if he exists or not either.

If you can't believe in me and my noodly goodness, do you believe in Santa?


BTW: Sorry for derailing.
 
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JetLeg, regarding people being wrong about their feelings, we have been over this already with the example of Capgras' syndrome/delusion, and you have already admitted that people with brain injuries may be wrong about their feelings.

Capgras' Delusion

So, if you agree that some people can be wrong in their feelings due to brain injury, do you admit that your material brain has something to do with your immaterial feelings?
 
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