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Why Hitler Declared War On The United States

Mondial

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Hitler did not want war with the USA. It was Roosevelt who wanted war with Germany. Roosevelt was supplying Britain and the Soviet Union with military supplies while proclaiming "neutrality". He talked about "democracy" while helping dictator Stalin. 6 months before Pearl Harbor he ordered German and Italian consulates closed. 3 months before the Japanese attack he ordered the US navy to attack German submarines on sight. Even if the Japanese called off the raid on Pearl Harbor Roosevelt came up with "Rainbow 5" a plan to go to war against Germany and Italy. Because of Roosevelt's warmongering and provocations there already existed a state of war between the US and Germany. Hitler's declaration of war simply made it official -
https://codoh.com/library/document/4882/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486
 
I simply have no notion as to why some people are so obsessed with re-writing the history of WW2, nor why some people seem to bend over backwards to paint the Allies as the bad guys, and Hitler as the poor downtrodden defender of all that is good and just in the world.
 
I simply have no notion as to why some people are so obsessed with re-writing the history of WW2, nor why some people seem to bend over backwards to paint the Allies as the bad guys, and Hitler as the poor downtrodden defender of all that is good and just in the world.
The reason is almost always racism, and admiration for imperialism of the most unbridled and predatory kind, both qualities in which Hitler was unsurpassed.
 
Hitler did not want war with the USA. It was Roosevelt who wanted war with Germany. Roosevelt was supplying Britain and the Soviet Union with military supplies while proclaiming "neutrality". He talked about "democracy" while helping dictator Stalin. 6 months before Pearl Harbor he ordered German and Italian consulates closed. 3 months before the Japanese attack he ordered the US navy to attack German submarines on sight. Even if the Japanese called off the raid on Pearl Harbor Roosevelt came up with "Rainbow 5" a plan to go to war against Germany and Italy. Because of Roosevelt's warmongering and provocations there already existed a state of war between the US and Germany. Hitler's declaration of war simply made it official -
https://codoh.com/library/document/4882/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486

Hitler did not want war with anyone!

If only all those people in his rightful lands had upsticks and removed themselves so good Germanic folk could return there wouldn't have been any wars. Damn those millions of people and those countries that just wouldn't do what he wanted. Every one of the dead in world war II can be laid at their feet, it's blood on their hands.

Also known as the "look what you made me do" theory of history.
 
Hitler did not want war with the USA. It was Roosevelt who wanted war with Germany.

If Roosevelt wanted a war, at all, he would have joined the war long before Pearl Harbour. There was ample reason and opportunity to declare war. What you have essentially described is somebody taking a political stand, without wanting to join the war. You have essentially listed his diplomatic actions making his ethical stance clear, short of war.

This can be seen also (IIRC, and feel free to correct me) in the American navy's actions in the specific. To the Japanese it might well have looked like a stranglehold being placed on supply routes, but to the Americans it was no doubt a sensible bolstering of defences in territories next to a literal war zone. At best this is political action, short of joining the conflict.

Given that his nation was still recovering from the cost in life of the first war, it is understandable that he would want to do something, but would be unwilling to commit to such a sacrifice unless forced to. (Which is the context that Chamberlain's appeasements before the law should be remembered).

Once Pearl Harbour happened, the US had no choice but to declare war not only on Japan, but on Japan's allies.

Of course, it should also be noted that whom Hitler wanted a war with, is not as direct a path to trace as many assume.

First we have to consider that Hitler expected the UK, and much of Europe to either join his side, or step aside, as he wiped the Bolshevik Soviet threat from the face of the Earth. His war was a crusade against Sovietism, and the races he held responsible for the ideology he hated.

Before the war, during the depression, politics had polarised around the world, and there was a constant fear of communist revolutions across the world. Fascism rose as a response, and Hitler saw himself as the respectable face of extremism, and the one that right ring, conservatives, would side with to protect themselves from the threat of communism.

Second we have to consider Hitler's own ideology. There was much in America he saw as harmful influences: Racial populations, smoking, drinking, jazz music, and certain political stances, a strong Jewish population, and so forth (heck, we know this was at least perceived as a problem in America because of some of the less than charming factions being vocal at the time, and remaining vocal throughout the civil rights movements).
 
Hitler did not want war with the USA. It was Roosevelt who wanted war with Germany. Roosevelt was supplying Britain and the Soviet Union with military supplies while proclaiming "neutrality". He talked about "democracy" while helping dictator Stalin.

And he opposed Hitler, so that makes it a tie.

6 months before Pearl Harbor he ordered German and Italian consulates closed. 3 months before the Japanese attack he ordered the US navy to attack German submarines on sight. Even if the Japanese called off the raid on Pearl Harbor Roosevelt came up with "Rainbow 5" a plan to go to war against Germany and Italy. Because of Roosevelt's warmongering and provocations there already existed a state of war between the US and Germany. Hitler's declaration of war simply made it official -
https://codoh.com/library/document/4882/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486

And yet Hitler decladed war, like an idiot.
 
Poor Hitler... A paragon of virtue until his hand was forced by that degenerate scum that totally had it coming and should have been targeted even though they weren't because Hitler was a little angel who wouldn't hurt a fly unless provoked.

You are such a special maverick OP, for seeing through the lies of every historian in the entire world.
Shouldn't this crap be in CT?
 
I simply have no notion as to why some people are so obsessed with re-writing the history of WW2, nor why some people seem to bend over backwards to paint the Allies as the bad guys, and Hitler as the poor downtrodden defender of all that is good and just in the world.

Par for the course for Holocaust Deniers, Neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.
 
Poor Hitler... A paragon of virtue until his hand was forced by that degenerate scum that totally had it coming and should have been targeted even though they weren't because Hitler was a little angel who wouldn't hurt a fly unless provoked.

Holocaust denialism and related nonsense in a nutshell.
 
Given that his nation was still recovering from the cost in life of the first war, it is understandable that he would want to do something, but would be unwilling to commit to such a sacrifice unless forced to. (Which is the context that Chamberlain's appeasements before the law should be remembered).
How much of factor was the American cost in life in the general isolationist stance that prevailed in the interbellum, from immediately after the end of WW1 - the Senate didn't even ratify the Versailles peace treaty. The American cost in life was very moderate compared to other the main belligerents - UK, France, Germany, Russia - and let's not even talk about Serbia.

Once Pearl Harbour happened, the US had no choice but to declare war not only on Japan, but on Japan's allies.
That's an open question. WW2 was really two wars at the same time, with very little to no cooperation between Germany and Japan.

First we have to consider that Hitler expected the UK, and much of Europe to either join his side, or step aside, as he wiped the Bolshevik Soviet threat from the face of the Earth. His war was a crusade against Sovietism, and the races he held responsible for the ideology he hated.
At the time of Barbarossa, nearly all of Europe was either occupied by the Nazis or were allied with them. Spain, Portugal, Turkey and Sweden were the only countries that managed to stay neutral, the UK and the USSR the only ones that managed to keep fighting the Nazis.
 
Hitler did not want war with the USA.

Then why was it Germany that declared war on the US and not the other way around?

It was Roosevelt who wanted war with Germany.

Sure - because FDR recognized that Hitler was a huge threat to the stability of the world, in addition to being an untrustworthy douche.

Roosevelt was supplying Britain and the Soviet Union with military supplies while proclaiming "neutrality".

The US was SELLING military goods to the UK and the Commonwealth. There were no sales to the Soviets pre-Barbarossa.

He talked about "democracy" while helping dictator Stalin.

Hitler talked about not wanting any Czechs. Your point?

6 months before Pearl Harbor he ordered German and Italian consulates closed.

Given the way that Germany and Italy had acted prior to Pearl Harbour - invading other nations, in several cases without a declaration of war, what was to be gained by their presence?

3 months before the Japanese attack he ordered the US navy to attack German submarines on sight.

You're missing the context of this declaration - US warships escorting US and other neutral shipping were the ones authorized to sink UBoats. Under the laws of the sea, belligerent states are not supposed to attack any vessels, only those of the state they are at war with.

Even if the Japanese called off the raid on Pearl Harbor Roosevelt came up with "Rainbow 5" a plan to go to war against Germany and Italy.

Given Japan's attack on the Phillipines, even if they'd called off Pearl Harbor, the US would still have been in a war with Japan.

And there have been plans to attack other nations before - I refer you to War Plan Red, and Defence Scheme No.1. Just because the plans exist isn't a sign of hostile intent.

Because of Roosevelt's warmongering and provocations there already existed a state of war between the US and Germany. Hitler's declaration of war simply made it official -
https://codoh.com/library/document/4882/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486

Poor Hitler. Those nasty Czechs made him invade the rest of their country after he said he wouldn't. The Poles forced Nazi Germany to invade. Denmark had it coming - they were between him and those Norwegians that told him NO, you can't use our naval facilities. And the perfidious Dutch, sitting there all neutral and such.

Poor Mussolini. The Ethiopians were a major threat to Italian sovereignty, and the Albanians, well the less said about them the better.

Face it Mondial, the Axis were a collection of warmongering and untrustworthy gits who bit off more then they could actually accomplish and managed to get their countries economies ruined, the flower of their youth destroyed while destroying the historical reputation of their countries for a long while by the same peoples they felt were inferior to them. Losers.
 
This is the same "logic" that the Lost Cause of the Confederacy fanboys use.

If the big mean Allies had just let Hitler kill as many Jews and take as much of Europe as he wanted we could have avoided that ole' nasty war.
 
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The Axis were a collection of warmongering and untrustworthy gits who bit off more then they could actually accomplish and managed to get their countries economies ruined, the flower of their youth destroyed while destroying the historical reputation of their countries for a long while by the same peoples they felt were inferior to them. Losers.

In a nutshell!!

This has to be one of the best one-paragraph summaries of the Fascist stupidity of the Axis I've ever seen!
 
Are you aware that Hitler declared war on the US first?

Yes. Hence the US not exactly having a plethora of available options.(That is very much knew of my posts that sounded oh so witty in my head, less so in reality).
 
At the time of Barbarossa, nearly all of Europe was either occupied by the Nazis or were allied with them. Spain, Portugal, Turkey and Sweden were the only countries that managed to stay neutral, the UK and the USSR the only ones that managed to keep fighting the Nazis.

And Switzerland, unless you view them as having colluded with the Nazis (for purely financial reasons, of course).

ETA: And Ireland, and some of the smaller states.
 
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And Switzerland, unless you view them as having colluded with the Nazis (for purely financial reasons, of course).

ETA: And Ireland
:o :o :o No I didn't leave Switzerland out consciously, and their neutrality is a bit more complicated than that - BTW, the same could be said for Sweden, while it delivered its iron ore to Nazi Germany.

and some of the smaller states.
That's an interesting point. Vatican remained neutral and was not occupied. OTOH, San Marino was, IIRC, occupied by Italy. But what happened to the others - Andorra, Monaco, Liechtenstein?
 
Monaco was occupied when the Germans took over Vichy.

Andorra and Lichtenstein stayed neutral, both associating themselves closely with their larger neutral neighbours.
 

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