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Why Flight 93?

It occurred to me after I posted and as I was walking somewhere that I really didn't know, really, how much blood a person nominally has other than it was not a really huge amount. Thanks for correct me.
 
HL7442 said:
Tomm give me a few hours and I'll peruse through my crash files. I'll present other crashes that are similar to UA93. Beachnut is correct in saying that there is nothing nefarious about the crash scene. It indeed looks like a high speed impact from a large aircraft...............in this case a 757.
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thats 5-6 litres per person for us metric crowd.

TAM:)
 
tomm said:
It essentially did! Minus the different length wing impressions.

Maybe you guys can show me another instance where a plane left an impression of itself like at Shanksville.
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No, it looks like the sort of crater that would be created by a plane flying upside down at a steep angle and rolling to one side as it hit meaning the wings didn't hit flat, but dug into the ground at an angle pushing the dirt up out of the opposite side to where it hit, and then having the areawhere the fusage impacted collpase into the hole it created.

Here's an experiment. Take a foot long ruler and lie it on the ground. Mark where the ends are in relation to the ground. Now pick it up and set it at a 10° angle to the ground and remark where the ends are. Are your marks the same distance apart? Why not? Now think about that in comparison to the wings hitting while the plane was rolling. If you cant figure that out, then you're beyond hope.
 
I think tomm's primary problem is that he thinks the various components of an aircraft stop moving the instant they make contact with the ground. They don't.

-Gumboot
 
PhantomWolf said:
No, it looks like the sort of crater that would be created by a plane flying upside down at a steep angle and rolling to one side as it hit meaning the wings didn't hit flat, but dug into the ground at an angle pushing the dirt up out of the opposite side to where it hit, and then having the areawhere the fusage impacted collpase into the hole it created.
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Can you show me an example of another plane crash into dirt that left wing marks?
 
tomm said:
Can you show me an example of another plane crash into dirt that left wing marks?
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Yes but you are not allowed to see them. They are for safety purposes only. Sad, you do not understand aircraft accidents. There are experts all over the world that could help you, but I doubt you can find one. And I doubt you are capable of real research to understand 93 crash site is normal for a high speed, steep dive impact.

Get a model and some sand and see for your self. Even kids have made impacts to simulate comets and meteor impacts, why not try google and do your own work.
 
njslim said:
You parrot the "truther" sites very well - do want a cookie or cracker?

As someone who has seen crash/accident scenes up close and haelped remove
dismembered/charred bodies can speak with some authority.

Was at scene of Lear 35 crash number of years back - there was no blood on the scene
even though area was full of body parts. Had to walk scene and plant flags for
coroner to recover body parts. The impactis too swift and violent - the arteries spasm
shut when severed heence little blood. Also post crash fires tend to burn away lot of
body parts.

You wonder how could identify passengers/crew from only 8% of remains - modern DNA
science can generate profile from minute traces of blood/hair/saliva.

Also claim that flight/data recorders are "different" - actually both are from same
company, ALLIED SIGNAL. It was bought by HONEYWELL. The ALLIED SIGNAL plant
was right across street from where I used to work in Morristown, NJ. Had number of
friends who worked there. The recorders were (are) built by ALLIED SIGNAL only after
the merger HONEYWELL name was placed on boxes.
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If you only have 8% of 44 people's total mass, the odds that 100% of those 44 people being identified seems pretty poor when you factor that not every passenger would be disentigrated equally. Some passengers would be only half left while others would be totally disintegrated. Flight 77 had a child passenger that wasn't identified according to the official story because officially no remains of hers were found.

Why would Flight 93 need a new CVR (or the other one) in so little time? CVR's aren't cheap and if they need to be upgraded, it's usually just a circuit board (for example) that needs to be replaced, not the shell. Think of your computer's hard drive needing an upgrade. A 160GB drive is the same size as a 10GB drive.

Come to think of it, what proof do you have that those boxes were recovered from the Shanksville scene?
 
tomm said:
You could have just said "no" instead of making up something so ridiculous sound. I hear another studie nomination!
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Go ahead, the Air Force accidents are only used for safety purposes, you can look it up. Since you are not in the safety chain of Air Force flying, you do not get to see the accident stuff. Look it up, what I say is true. But then you have shallow to nil research skills reflected in your false information on flight 93. Do you do any real research? Do you have any skills other than repeating the lies of 9/11 truth?
 
tomm said:
If you only have 8% of 44 people's total mass, the odds that 100% of those 44 people being identified seems pretty poor when you factor that not every passenger would be disentigrated equally. Some passengers would be only half left while others would be totally disintegrated. Flight 77 had a child passenger that wasn't identified according to the official story because officially no remains of hers were found.
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Ignoring the chaff in this one. How big a piece of a human do you think you need for DNA analysis

tomm said:
Why would Flight 93 need a new CVR (or the other one) in so little time? CVR's aren't cheap and if they need to be upgraded, it's usually just a circuit board (for example) that needs to be replaced, not the shell. Think of your computer's hard drive needing an upgrade. A 160GB drive is the same size as a 10GB drive.
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Please post about something you know something about instead of something you do not. usually CVR and FDR are part of scheduled maintanance. They are changed at specific hours flown. They take them away and test them and download them. Thye may be placed back in the same aircraft but it may be a replacement fitted (does not have to be a new one). Where is the claim that it was a new one?

tomm said:
Come to think of it, what proof do you have that those boxes were recovered from the Shanksville scene?
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Come to think of it where is yours to say it wasnt? The evidence from the investigation says it was found there, you have to refute this with your evidence
 
TheRedWorm said:
Please, using math, show us what is wrong with the Shanksville crash physics.
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tomm, I will continue to ask this until you address it, or admit you cannot.
 
wtcconspiracy said:
Can you show us what is right with the physics of the shanksville crash. I mean just look at the "crash" site. Really dont look like a 757 went down there.

Ben
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Well, Mr. Ben, you are claiming that there is a conspiracy. It is up to you to provide evidence of said conspiracy. The only reason I asked tomm to show how the physics were impossible is because he had stated as much. If you would like to answer the question he does not seem to be willing to, please feel free.
 
wtcconspiracy said:
Can you show us what is right with the physics of the shanksville crash. I mean just look at the "crash" site. Really dont look like a 757 went down there.

Ben
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What exactly should the crashsite of a 757 hitting soft earth, upside down at well over 500mph look like? Please provide evidence of this.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
What exactly should the crashsite of a 757 hitting soft earth, upside down at well over 500mph look like? Please provide evidence of this.
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ok thats another thing i dont believe....the plane flying upside down....come on.....what would it take to flip a 757 upside down....

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
ok thats another thing i dont believe....the plane flying upside down....come on.....what would it take to flip a 757 upside down....

Ben
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Not very much at all, the test pilot of the 707 did a barrel roll in front of the company directors and investors. Why don't you belive that the plane was upside down? The Flight Data Recorder indicates that it was.

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707 barrell roll
 
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