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Why Flight 93?

GregoryUrich,


I was talking about the buried jet engine. Is it facing the right direction?
Is the upper part the front or the back of the engine? If that is like the engine found in the pentagon, wouldn't the upper part we're seeing be the intake side?
I could be wrong. It just hit me while I was looking at the pentagon engine because it looks similar.
Why on Ed's Green Earth would you think that the attitude an engine involved in a 500kt crash would come to rest in the same attitude as it was in during flight?
Have you ever even seen a kinematics textobook? Do you even know what kinematics is?
 
Why on Ed's Green Earth would you think that the attitude an engine involved in a 500kt crash would come to rest in the same attitude as it was in during flight?
Have you ever even seen a kinematics textobook? Do you even know what kinematics is?

Ok, seeing that you and gumboot cannot read, I'll explain to you as I would a child.
The intake of a jet engine faces the direction of the plane. If the intake side is facing up, that would mean the engine is upside down.
Do you both understand now?

I am not saying it is, I am asking if it is. It looks like the upper portion of that engine is the same part that was found at the pentagon, and that part was on the intake side of the engine, correct?
 
I was talking about the buried jet engine. Is it facing the right direction?
Is the upper part the front or the back of the engine? If that is like the engine found in the pentagon, wouldn't the upper part we're seeing be the intake side?
I could be wrong. It just hit me while I was looking at the pentagon engine because it looks similar.

Bagged!!!!!! It's the intake:blush:the plane was coming up out of the ground.:rolleyes:

Night, night now!
 
I was talking about the buried jet engine. Is it facing the right direction?
Bagged!!!!!! It's the intake:blush:the plane was coming up out of the ground.:rolleyes:

Night, night now!

You're going to assume it is not based on what?Can you identify that part of the engine? What if that is the intake side, DGM?
 
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Ok, seeing that you and gumboot cannot read, I'll explain to you as I would a child.
The intake of a jet engine faces the direction of the plane. If the intake side is facing up, that would mean the engine is upside down.
Do you both understand now?

I am not saying it is, I am asking if it is. It looks like the upper portion of that engine is the same part that was found at the pentagon, and that part was on the intake side of the engine, correct?

Since you have decided to continue to be condescending, while not really being in a position to actually be condescending, let's repeat this foryou since you cannot seem to READ.

Just because the engine is facing a certain direction, does not mean it's going to end up in that direction. There are too many variables to determine the direction of the engine from the direction it is found in. This is really common sense. If only there was something of resistance that could possibly alter the direction and position of the engine....Oh right, THE GROUND.

But hey, you're just asking questions and trying to get answers. No way assuming everyone else is stupid. Tho noe weh doo nut uda stond. We stoopud. Tank yew fu expwainun tew uhz.
 
Please show me an undoctored picture of the WTC impact fireballs that looks like the Shanksville photo. Bear in mind it must be the initial smoke plume as evidenced by no smoke above it.

Flight 175's impact with the South Tower makes a similar plume.
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Not the best picture, but meh, from this video.
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The 911debunker guide takes a short look at the plume.

Also, there's a short PDF file in 911myths.com that shows another smoke plume from an airplane crash with a similar shape of the Shanksville crash.

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Okay, to take on several posts at once:

The smoke in the Shanksville pic is lit from above. This tends to give it a bluish appearance, as can also be seen in the pics of the towers where the tops of the plumes are seen. The undersides ,in both cases, are darker. Quite normal appearance for hydrocarbon fuel smoke.

Looking at the 911myths pics of wreckage, the larger pieces, like the section of fuselage with windows in it, are sitting of an area of vegetation that seems to include braken fern and some sort of low-growing basicale. There is no grass visible. This would be typical of vegetation rather far into the woods. It is quite likely that one of those large pieces of debris clipped the two trees cited. In deed, one pic shows them from a vanatage point inside the wooded area, and they do not, to be, appear at all burned. There are broken branches lying on the ground in the lower left corner of the same frame showing oval leaves. Ergo, the woods are deciduous, or at least mixed.

The soil around the engine has all been disturbed. It is being excated with a back hoe. Not a pricision instrument. Whether it was dredged up from a lower level is not apparent in the pic. Thus, it is out of context, to some degree. It is impossible to determine, from this pic in what attitude it entered the ground or what it may have hit to change its direction of travel.

The large pieces of debris appear to me to be from the aft section of the aircraft. This would indicated that the aft portion broke up on impact, which would explain the skewed, light impression of the vertical stabilizer impact. That part of the aircraft did, indeed, bunch into the woods.

Is this helpful in any way? It is all starting to give me a headache.
 
You're an idiot, seriously. How are you going to try and play such a weak card?
Is it just jet fuel that is burning at the WTC? No.
I was talking about aircraft that hit the ground and you know it.


The many WTC images, both of the smoke immediately after the impact of UA175 and generic "burning" clouds, clearly demonstrate that the smoke colour of a single event can vary enormously depending on the angle and camera used to capture it. What that tells us is we cannot determine anything from a single image of any sort of smoke plume. Whether that smoke plume is burning furniture, burning jet fuel, exploding jet fuel, roasting marshmallows, or barbecued Walt Disney characters is entirely irrelevant.

Your post was reported, by the way.

-Gumboot
 
Ok, seeing that you and gumboot cannot read, I'll explain to you as I would a child.
The intake of a jet engine faces the direction of the plane. If the intake side is facing up, that would mean the engine is upside down.
Do you both understand now?

I am not saying it is, I am asking if it is. It looks like the upper portion of that engine is the same part that was found at the pentagon, and that part was on the intake side of the engine, correct?


:dl:

Oh, that's just brilliant.

-Gumboot
 
There are broken branches lying on the ground in the lower left corner of the same frame showing oval leaves. Ergo, the woods are deciduous, or at least mixed.


Just a minor comment, although it's entirely irrelevant, evergreens can be broadleaf.

-Gumboot
 
Eucalyptus is in rather short supply in Pennsylvania.

I'm thinking poplar of some such. Not as resinous and gum trees or firs.
 
Please show me an undoctored picture of the WTC impact fireballs that looks like the Shanksville photo. Bear in mind it must be the initial smoke plume as evidenced by no smoke above it.
I don't know why, but I expected far more from you. My bad. Will you do me a favor, though? If you're not sure if an airliner crashed at one or more of the 9/11 sites, will you say so? In the mean time (and Ed knows why the hell I'm doing this), here:

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Sigh.​

If you look more carefully, you'll notice it's not dug up yet.
:jaw-dropp If you look more carefully, you'll notice it's completely dug up. Or do you have a unique definition of "buried?"


Correct me if I'm wrong but those look like deciduous trees to me.

Keep it up! You've almost cracked the conspiracy!
Psst! Think "Keebler."



Ok, seeing that you and gumboot cannot read, I'll explain to you as I would a child.
The intake of a jet engine faces the direction of the plane. If the intake side is facing up, that would mean the engine is upside down.
Do you both understand now?

I am not saying it is, I am asking if it is. It looks like the upper portion of that engine is the same part that was found at the pentagon, and that part was on the intake side of the engine, correct?

I sit in stunned silence. Next he'll be asking why the passenger remains were all jumbled up and not in the rows shown on the flight manifests, and why the beverage carts were in disarray. This is horribly depressing. It is 6:27 AM, and I want a stiff drink.
 
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If you look at the high res picture here you'll see the trunks aren't even charred.


Indeed, the Northeastern Larch, fumatori voluptari, is known to smoke for pleasure.

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Since were discussing craters, Gregory, I strongly suggest that you learn the First Rule of Holes.


Psst! Please also learn what "high res" means.
 
Could the deniers of Flight 93 please watch the documentary The Flight That Fought Back? It has the phone calls, it has relatives speaking, it has eyewitnesses of the flight and crash speaking, it has Ziad Jarrah's flight instructor, Jarrah's martial arts teacher, air traffic control people. Watch it. Why do you deny this?

Part 1 of the documentary is here and part 2 is here.
 
Indeed, the Northeastern Larch, fumatori voluptari, is known to smoke for pleasure.

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Since were discussing craters, Gregory, I strongly suggest that you learn the First Rule of Holes.


Psst! Please also learn what "high res" means.

I don't think the trees are an issue, I was just wondering if maybe they got hit by debris. Now the first rule of smoking Larks is, if your crown catches on fire be sure to break in half.

I haven't seen anyone explain the shape of the crater yet. I.e. wings on the wrong side!

Psst! I should have said somewhat higher res.
 
I haven't seen anyone explain the shape of the crater yet. I.e. wings on the wrong side!
Still with the wings on the wrong side? Of course. When reality doesn't correspond to our expectations, it's reality's problem.

Please get a grip on yourself.

Also, do you doubt that an airliner crashed at any of the sites on 9/11?
 

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