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Why doesn't Jesus sound smart?

ned flandas
Which ones please?
Do you want a complete list or just some of the high points?

When (what year) was Jesus born?
What is Jesus’ lineage?
How many disciples were there?
What were Jesus’ last words?
Are you saved by works or by faith?
Why does Genesis have two contradictory creation accounts?
Where did Cain meet his wife & how?
The whole silly flood thing.
Why didn’t Jesus fulfill the messianic prophecies?
 
Well, i think Jezus his saying's where much more recorded then we know today.. the bible in fact has to be much much larger.. There are still many secret library's out there, which only the church know off.
and why is the Bible not holy, and the Qu'ran still is ? I think because they could'nt manage to put all Jezus his saying into 1 book, He allready talked about it when he was very young.. where are all those writings or sayings ??

with all do respect to any believer, but i think something got messed up badly 2000 years ago.. Because if you look at history, 'free masons, knight templars and all) What happened with all other prophets after they crussifed Jezus ? As to my opninion they killed john the baptist to..

How come Kings and President's fail to live on the 10 commandments Mozes gave to the people who wanted to follow God...
And remember the other group, the Golden Calf (all gold, money?)

Look i think people are trying to fool us, because
1+1 = 2
paper comes from tree
money comes from paper and nickel..
what worth is gold then towards money, then just being a heavy blinkin brick?
I can't do nothing with gold.. i just need my food, and a nice place to live, without worrying if i owe some money to someone because i live in his house or something

My point is, is jezus wasn't smart, let us then try to be smart, and think of the 10 commandments.. And if you truly want to follow Jezus, then look at him, He tried to free us from (Kings and Church) did he go to the ¨Jews and say here am i, crussify me ?
Hmm, I think there is alot of history that either people are to scared of telling it, or just using God for there own pleasure...
allthou i think, god allready has his own personality and there is nothing we can do about it.. We didn't create him, but He created us..

And he trie's to call us, but not with his own voice, he use's the voice of many people who sing are only the people who tell you good things about Him

Because remember, there is no one good but only God !!
So do you still think you'r good, or do you think that when you are rich and lookin Beautifull belong to God ??
i think the only thing Abraham worried about was food..
and because his believe in his father, people supplied abraham with Jewelry and all, so that Abraham could jump on his camel and get some food for those poor people, who hardly have a chance of living in this world..

(I am very sorry about the many bad spellings, but you should try to speak dutch. :p hahaha)
 
ned flandas

Do you want a complete list or just some of the high points?

When (what year) was Jesus born?
What is Jesus’ lineage?
How many disciples were there?
What were Jesus’ last words?
Are you saved by works or by faith?
Why does Genesis have two contradictory creation accounts?
Where did Cain meet his wife & how?
The whole silly flood thing.
Why didn’t Jesus fulfill the messianic prophecies?

Those are good but I was thinking bigger.

1) Why does an omnipotent God need a human sacrifice to forgive sin?

2) No evidence of The Flood.

3) Genesis is unsupported.

4) The problem of evil.

5) God turns from a brutal tyrant in the Old Testament but a big hippie in the New Testament when he is supposed to be the same throughout eternity.

6) Why did the Jews get all the cool miracles? (Pillar of fire, parting of the sea, etc.)

7) The problem of hell.

8) The problem of Satan.

9) The complete idiocy of faith.

10) No evidence that Moses ever existed.

11) No evidence the Jews were enslaved in Eygpt.

12) How can free will exist when God knows everything and set everything in motion?

13) Are we sure Jesus existed?

14) God implicitly supports slavery and explicitly commands genocide. (See also #5).

15) And the rest...
 
Some answers on all those questions:


1) God didnt need that human to sacrifice people from sin.. I think Jezus who allready was in Heaven, wanted to come down, to teach earthly people about God..
But 2000 years ago if you had you'r own opinion about God, they simply killed you, it was forbidden to speak about it, only what those jews said where tru, What where they doing at that time ? where the poor people being robbed from there money so the King could build his palace ?
But why Jezus gave his life to us, so we can see that Jezus was actually not guilty, but actually the church was guilty of condemning people to death, (governments still to that i think).. The reason why many people sin, or do bad things, most of them is just because they handt had a chance of living because most people that are leading this world are just filling there pockets with money, and they hope they can bring there nice big castle to heaven...

2) No evidence of the Flood ?? how come there is a desert ? desert just looks like very very dry beach sand.. could it have been that the desert like we see know was a see before ?? or the piramide's, how come there is so much nature on the Hïeroglyfe's while there is nothing but dry sand.. Probably when Mozes escaped and God opened the sea's, then all sand then he lifted up to, he just blew it to the piramide's, i think there layes alot under all that sand, but still needs to be discovered
(i suggest deploy work troops instead of fighting troops) (fill sandbags with desert sand, and look at what's hidden at those stupid piramide's (i call them stupid, because out technology of today is much more advanced, altho those Atlantïers where pritty smart at those days, (Atlantïers are Old-Egyptians)

3) Genesis is unsupported because they cut the bible in pieces, and have worked very hard to put the pieces nice togheter.. For the church his best and for the King
ofcourse..
(alltho all those war's where needed, because else Hitler would have had his own Europe by now.. (Hitler was just doing it the very wrong way, he shouldnt have tried to kill al Jews.. He should have made muslims off them, so they can bow very deep before they see God.. Because i hope i can forget for what they are doing or what they have done.. Jumping around like a monkey.. fools)

4) The problem of Evil, you man or woman, have on each side of you'r shoulder an angel, and on the left side the angel write's all bad things you think ,and on the other side, the other write's all good things you think.. so when each day you awake in a new day, Earth try's to build the path that you are thinkin... what did you want to be when you whre a kid ? And how did you get everything ? with honesty ? or dishonesty ? (I think the devil allready is allready long death, but many people believe so much in it, that they want to follow him or whatever the crazy thing they want...

5) Because in the past, many tribe's of people where at war with eachother, and every tribe believe's in God.. but where they sure they knew Him that well ?? (key-factor: first we where in The Garden of Eden, but we sinned there, so we got expelled, then the first children where sinning to (when we are new it seems we are very dum)
but know when time passes and passes, God has left us some writing's and Beautifull wonders wich we still don't understand why we are here...
But since god is trying to teach us what is outmost important for us, but he chooses his people out, He doesnt come personnaly and have a nice little chat with you, no he enlighten's you and guide's you on the way on whatever you want to find !! how many people are still thinkin with what's below the belt ?


6) Why did they get all those cool stuff ? Because God is testing them in how long they can keep his Holy stuff (or what's left from it) Holy .. And Mozes was not only for the Jews, Mozes was also for muslims, for all people who followed the 10 Commandments (Mozes is a Hero in heaven) (Many people are hero's in heaven, many poor people are even king's in heaven, just simply because poor people don't have got nothing in this world, because people tend to steal very easily) miracle's happen every day, you just have to listen and to see very good !! (in different language's thinkin is a bit more easier, i prefer english and dutch combined)
And also, every religion has his cool stuff... You just have to look at what you like or what you think that look's best on you..


7) the proble of Hell is, Because many people that don't believe or did very bad bad things, that truly don't deserve to be in heaven, well for them there is something like the Fire.. and when they die, (living humans won't know) but just on the instant you die, you soul fall's down, you get scared, everything around you turns black, and you fall deeper and deeper.. then you see fire, you see gates in that fire, you think ooh my God i'm going to Hel.. So a normal reaction would be like: start praying and beg for mercy !! (then Jezus can prove to you that he can save you just before you enter Hell... Or els Jezus fails in his job and he is nothing but a loser... (but to my opinion He is The King of the Death, and God is the Almighty one!! (people have to see that there truly is a hel, so they can be warned if they would take bad actions towards good people who live in Heaven..

8) tough one, Because God is without sinning, and doesnt need anything, but He only want's to give.. He doesnt ask anything in return then only that you believe in Him
How many people believe today ? Many !! So if satan was a snake (would that mean was he an animal snake, or was he born in the year of the snake ?)
Is there a mention in the Bible, that God says to the snake, guard the tree and dont give any fruit to no one !! Or did God just say Guard this tree so no one can eat from it.. So what was the snake doing ? Was he guarding, or did he learned something from that tree, and he thought if this is the tree of life, then maybe when i see someone beautifull i can give him/her life... what the heck was he thinkin ? But if God stood there like 5 seconds later when Eve and Adam took there bite... I think god was just observing and waiting for the moment to strike.. He knew it was going to happen... But he just needed someone to do it.. Satan has balls.. But Satan, also should know that he was Guarding the Tree of Life, and i see Jezus as the Tree of Life, because Jezus carry's many children and people back to Heaven, like a tree carry's his leave's...
(what that be good for know ?)

9) Faith is a tough thing for many people, many people only think about themeself, many people don't believe, many people rahter belive in the Devil, and for me personaly i believe in God, but i think my human father belongs to the devil, and my mother is hurted angel.. But what has that to do with faith ? Because i have faith in God because i know Jezus can be cured from His wounds, (except the holes in hands and feet) but also i have so much faith that how much my body suffers into destruction i still believe and have Faith that God can heal my temple in 3 days !! (that's my faith)

10) Well the evidence of Mozes are hard to find that's true, But the Bible says at the time of the Farao's.. At what time is that ? Most probably at the time of the Piramide's.. But the piramide's are all covered with sand.. how can you live there ? Hmm Probably God throwed the sand on the piramide's when he opened the sea for Mozes.. So when the people who where still there, got covered under the sand.. Desert sand looks to me just the same as beach sand.. (think about it)
Many Hïeroglyfe's let us see that there was a time of lot's of normal nature and animal's.. And know it's death.. With just a few great piramide's left.. Why ?? i know why, so we can use the piramide stone's to build buildings for poor people... :) (no Battleforces, yes to Workforces!!)

11) The Jews weren't enslaved, The people got enslaved, at that time, nobody knew about jews, hindoe's, muslims, they where just people that looked different and because they looked different they where set into different groups.. which splitted us people all up in many many little groups... We all are still slaves to society, i hardly can get to a nice vacation, because someone of the governement wants me to pay there bill for them.. when are they gonna pay my bill ?

12) Free will stil exists, look: If God was so perfect and used u as a pupet, would He just let all people live in peace and wonderfull love of all colors without seperation from eachother ? or is ir our free will to call someone dirty names, or is our free will if we choose to pay our bill or we don't.. You all have you'r own will.. It's just the choices you make that can make the difference.. If someone is telling you to do something, then we should figure out why he is doing it... what is safety if God excists ? Why trying to let people survive when they want to die ?

13) Not everyone is sure, but i am sure, i allready dreamed 3 times of him.. I think he truly excisited because there still fighting over it who's land it is where Jezus got Crussified.. It's everybody's land !! But it's Holy land.. You have to watch you'r mouth!! Israël is a worth where i can hear a dutch setence in.. it is: "is rel" it mean's in english "It's fight" ... and there still fighting there because someone who love's peace is still not understand by many people.. who want's to fight for peace.. (idiots)

14) There where times when war was needed.. It just simply was needed, because there where groups of people who just did horrible and horrible things to other people..
so they had to do something to get all horible people out of the picture.. But God doesn't support slavery, he didnt want slavery, he wanted to have that people that worked on this earth get there fair cut of the deal.. what many workers don't get actually.. so still there is slavery, but if all people can get payed enough so they can still see something on this planet before they die, then people can see more then just at what's at tv today.. (God want's all people to be free and to go to places where they want to go) but fortunate for some and less fortunate for others, the leaders are not offering a fair world for everyone, and that problem needs to be solved..

15) the rest is.. If you could speak dutch to i can show you a few word tricks.. Instead of stealing words of the bible, you can always add a few words..
do you know Cross-Word-Riddle .. Instead of plitting atoms we should plit some words or write words like "Angel" or "Engel" but write them also vertically and start from the letter's A or E .. ( i use a dutch and an english bible) I also read the holy Qu'ran.. but i also think Jezus was much smarter, God is much smarter, Many people are much smarter, then just reading the line after line.. That to is a good thing, But the Bible tells many more words then you can imagine!
Also. The Holy Qu'ran speaks of the Angel Iblis.. I think Iblis is Osiris (the Old-Egyptian.. Atlantïe)

to add a bit more, why does George think he could speak with God.. G.W.B. (God With Bush?) why attacking Saddam (satan?) Hoessein (Who's Ein (ein is german for 1) So i say hmm.. Allah the lord God is Guiding many people to become aware of his amazing abbility of the angels that fell on the twin towers (piramide's?) All seeing eye.. the eye of the needle ?? Did they found something or did i did ?
 
Some answers on all those questions:


1) God didnt need etc.
You'd better read up a little on the history of the time. Jesus was one of a number of people plying the same trade. He was crucified but others were not, and his cult survived when others did not, and that is, no doubt, significant, but it is manifestly not true that anyone who preached against the status quo, or even who proclaimed himself a new messiah, would be killed. The idea that Jesus was in heaven and came down to preach is certainly unsupported by the gospels, which make it clear he was born in the normal way, despite an unusual conception. On what is that bizarre notion based?

2) No evidence of the Flood ?? etc.
There's sand in the Sahara for the same reason there are marine fossils in the mountains of Vermont. Long before mankind existed, long before land mammals of any kind evolved, the earth was covered with water. Geologists and paleontologists whose brains have not been turned to spaghetti by religious twaddle have pretty good ideas and explanations for this.

3) Genesis is unsupported because they cut the bible in pieces, and have worked very hard to put the pieces nice togheter.. For the church his best and for the King
ofcourse..
(alltho all those war's where needed, because else Hitler would have had his own Europe by now.. (Hitler was just doing it the very wrong way, he shouldnt have tried to kill al Jews.. He should have made muslims off them, so they can bow very deep before they see God.. Because i hope i can forget for what they are doing or what they have done.. Jumping around like a monkey.. fools)
I cannot make sense of that at all. But as far as I can see, "they" did not cut the bible into pieces, it was assembled from pieces. That's the point. There wasnt, first one bible, then a buch of pieces, then a restored bible. There were scattered scriptures, and they were gathered into what we now call the bible. Rather late, too. Read some bible history.

4) The problem of Evil, you man or woman, have on each side of you'r shoulder an angel, and on the left side the angel write's all bad things you think ,and on the other side, the other write's all good things you think.. so when each day you awake in a new day, Earth try's to build the path that you are thinkin... what did you want to be when you whre a kid ? And how did you get everything ? with honesty ? or dishonesty ? (I think the devil allready is allready long death, but many people believe so much in it, that they want to follow him or whatever the crazy thing they want...
ummmm. I wouldn't pick that one up with a dungfork.

5) Because in the past, many tribe's of people where at war with eachother, and every tribe...
But both testaments come from the same tribe.


6) And also, every religion has his cool stuff... You just have to look at what you like or what you think that look's best on you..
which is a short way of saying it's all twaddle, isn't it?


7) So a normal reaction would be like: start praying and beg for mercy !! (then Jezus can prove to you that he can save you just before you enter Hell... Or els Jezus fails in his job and he is nothing but a loser... (but to my opinion He is The King of the Death, and God is the Almighty one!! (people have to see that there truly is a hel, so they can be warned if they would take bad actions towards good people who live in Heaven..
So hell is just a parlor trick? And in that last, do you mean when I go to heaven (I'm sure I will, alleluia!) those damned sinners will still be after me?

8) tough one, )
Obviously.

9) Faith is a tough thing for many people...
and obviously impossible to explain.

10) Well the evidence of Mozes are hard to find that's true, But the Bible says at the time of the Farao's.. At what time is that ? Most probably at the time of the Piramide's.. But the piramide's are all covered with sand.. how can you live there ? Hmm Probably God throwed the sand on the piramide's when he opened the sea for Mozes.. So when the people who where still there, got covered under the sand.. Desert sand looks to me just the same as beach sand.. (think about it)
Many Hïeroglyfe's let us see that there was a time of lot's of normal nature and animal's.. And know it's death.. With just a few great piramide's left.. Why ?? i know why, so we can use the piramide stone's to build buildings for poor people... :) (no Battleforces, yes to Workforces!!)

They didn't live in the pyramids, dude. But they DID keep a lot of records. Those heiroglyphics, and lots of papyri too, tell stories. We know a lot of the history of those ancient Egyptians, who they were, what their names were, who worked for them, what games they played, what they ate. Funny thing is, they don't mention that Moses guy.

11) The Jews weren't enslaved, The people got enslaved, at that time, nobody knew about jews,...
Wrongo, boy. The Jews knew about Jews, which is why they wrote all those scriptures, and talked about how they were Jews, and what it meant to be a Jew, and all the rest. THEY knew the difference and went on and on about it. Book after book. They certainly thought they were enslaved. Were they lying, then?

12) Free will stil exists, look: If God was so perfect and used u as a pupet, would He just let all people live in peace and wonderfull love of all colors without seperation from eachother ?...
Which is the whole point. You've just kicked the ball into your own goal here.

13) Not everyone is sure, but i am sure, i allready dreamed 3 times of him..
I hate to break the news, but not everyone dreams Jesus into existence.

14) But God doesn't support slavery, he didnt want slavery, he wanted to have that people that worked on this earth get there fair cut of the deal..
You very much miss the point here. The old testament abounds with instances where God explicitly commanded his chosen people to exterminate their foes in ways that are brutal and genocidal, and to rape and enslave those they did not exterminate. If you take the bible literally this is a very hard nut to crack! I can't remember the book and verse now, but in one instance the Jews took a city and were commanded by God to slay every creature "that pisseth against a wall," meaning every male creature, including infants and children, old men, and even male dogs. They then raped the women and enslaved them.

15) the rest is..
well, I gather from that that you don't take the bible literally, a point for you, and that you don't like George W. Bush and his sanctimony, another point for you.
 
Bruto, you're twice the man I am. I looked at that response and said to myself "Where's Iacchus at? He'll make some sense."
 
IIRC, it was quite a common practice that the authors of the day would make up words that the subject didn't actually, you know, say. I would call that intentional fiction.

By "intentional fiction," I meant something that was written as fiction and meant to be taken as such. "Huckleberry Finn" is intentional fiction. If someone writes a work containing falsehoods and expects the falsehood to be taken as fact, that is not intentional fiction. Forgery, libel, embellishment, etc., but not intentional fiction.

to the writing style argument. I can think of two things to counter that.
1) Maybe it reads better in the origional language.

Um, my point was that the Greek itself was bad.

So what? That just indicates that M, M, L & J were hack writers.

Not quite. If the Gospels are embellished biographies that are meant to make Christianity look good, then the quality of the writing is no surprise. Propaganda and its cousins are often hackishly written. If the Gospels were intentional fiction, then the writing is not simply bad, but bad in a very odd way. A long speech of wisdom, like the Sermon on the Mount or one of the many speeches in John, may be talky writing, but it fits well with the intent to write a hagiography. However, it is out of place in, say, a Greek historical romance. The writing style and choice of topics is often at odds with even the attempt at dramatic storytelling.
 
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By "intentional fiction," I meant something that was written as fiction and meant to be taken as such. "Huckleberry Finn" is intentional fiction. If someone writes a work containing falsehoods and expects the falsehood to be taken as fact, that is not intentional fiction. Forgery, libel, embellishment, etc., but not intentional fiction.
Brief responce tonite, more tomorrow if I feel up to it.

I guess I should have esplained. I tend to go by the "Only two kinds of books:Intentional and unintentional fiction". I realize that part of this is outmoded to my current way of thinking, but I've never really been one for stodgy adhereance to the rules.

Anyhoo, to me, if it wasn't intended to convey fact, it's intentional fiction (what the MeHums refer to as just plain ol' fiction). Since this is at times trying to convey fact, it should be Unintentional Fiction (UF), but IMO, it's so poorly written, it gets reclassified as IF.

K? K. I go bed now. Kenny sleepy.
 
Coming in late, but even though parables are "easy for the masses to understand" aren't they also a way of obfuscating a message, and aren't formal proofs of anything. Aren't they are a way of communicating an opinion, rather than a logical step through of facts, and hence can be used to 'prove' entirely invalid arguments.
Hence, Jesus seemed to preach via opinionation rather than formal 'word of god' proofs, if that is of any relevance...
 
By "intentional fiction," I meant something that was written as fiction and meant to be taken as such. "Huckleberry Finn" is intentional fiction. If someone writes a work containing falsehoods and expects the falsehood to be taken as fact, that is not intentional fiction. Forgery, libel, embellishment, etc., but not intentional fiction.



Um, my point was that the Greek itself was bad.



Not quite. If the Gospels are embellished biographies that are meant to make Christianity look good, then the quality of the writing is no surprise. Propaganda and its cousins are often hackishly written. If the Gospels were intentional fiction, then the writing is not simply bad, but bad in a very odd way. A long speech of wisdom, like the Sermon on the Mount or one of the many speeches in John, may be talky writing, but it fits well with the intent to write a hagiography. However, it is out of place in, say, a Greek historical romance. The writing style and choice of topics is often at odds with even the attempt at dramatic storytelling.
Ok, now that I'm, well, rested, I'll attempt an answer.
I still put forgery, libel etc. in the IF category, it's just done with a malicious intent. I would have a hard time classifying the Gospels as malicious IF, I think that the gents who wrote it were sincere in their belief, just that they were writing legends that they liked. I'd place it in the same category as Robert Graves's sources.

Ok, so we both think that the Greek version was as readable as a badly translated stereo instruction manual. Good.

I disagree, the Gospels were not set to paper (or whatever was passing for paper) until well after the fact. It's VERY believable that things were added, embellished, and otherwise modified during the initial writing phase. Ok, this takes care of the supernatural events, but what about the Banal-Jesus, you ask?

Well, if you're creating a Messiah who's supposed to be fully human and fully divine, then you need the banal stuff in there to make him more believable. This was kind of my point by choosing Leo Bloom as a counterpoint.

Joyce didn't have to go into the detail with Leo's day that he did, but he did so to make Leo fully human in our eyes. Same deal with Jesus. If the "less attractive" portions of the Gospels's treatment of JC hadn't been in there, then he wouldn't seem as human to the reader. Also, since there's a significant chance that there really was a historical Jesus (weather or not he was divine is left to debate....endlessly) then he could have done that stuff.

The real issue here is that, no matter how you slice it, Jesus was a commoner. His early, and vast majority of his later career, followers were all commoners. He doesn't sound smart because a) he wasn't all that well educated, b) neither were most of the target audience of the Gospels and c) it's a lot easier to remember platitudes that you were taught as a child, than new ones.
 
I would have a hard time classifying the Gospels as malicious IF, I think that the gents who wrote it were sincere in their belief, just that they were writing legends that they liked.

I wouldn't classify the Gospels as malicious, either, although if you compare Luke to Matthew or Mark, he has much more of a tendency to "fix" the stories that in the other Gospels are more embarrassing.

Well, if you're creating a Messiah who's supposed to be fully human and fully divine, then you need the banal stuff in there to make him more believable. This was kind of my point by choosing Leo Bloom as a counterpoint.

That argument would work better if the Gospels didn't try to work around or play down the banalities. For example, the Gospels describe Capernaum as a city rather than a village and never point out that Bethsaida and Chorazin are so close to Capernaum. That omission gives the impression that Jesus' denouncements of these towns were bigger deals than they really were. The birth narratives, aside from trying to make Jesus the Son of God in a more literal sense, also work around Jesus probably having been born in the "wrong" place, namely Nazareth.

Joyce didn't have to go into the detail with Leo's day that he did, but he did so to make Leo fully human in our eyes.

The banal details that we see in the Gospels, however, are found by reading "against the grain" of them.
 
Coming in late, but even though parables are "easy for the masses to understand" aren't they also a way of obfuscating a message, and aren't formal proofs of anything. Aren't they are a way of communicating an opinion, rather than a logical step through of facts, and hence can be used to 'prove' entirely invalid arguments.
Hence, Jesus seemed to preach via opinionation rather than formal 'word of god' proofs, if that is of any relevance...

INdeed, people tend to take parables to heart, and once they have latched onto a meaning, to look at them as if they were proving something, but the teller is excused from having to prove anything or even, at times from having to make sense. It's hard to tell at this remove from biblical times how the people who heard these stories took them, but there is an element of parables that could be seen as a kind of copout. Of course it's possible that Jesus knew exactly what he wanted to say, said it exactly in the way his listeners would find thought-provoking, familiar, and informative, and all that. It's not all that hard to read the gospels with a pro-Jesus point of view and see him as a pretty cool guy (just as it's easy to read them from an anti-Jesus point of view and see him as a pretty loosely wrapped nutjob). But I think parables are also the perfect vehicle for a preacher who isn't quite sure of his facts, or good at logic, but there's also a hint of the passive-aggressive there. You figure it out, and I'll tell you later whether you're right or wrong. And if I want you to be, you'll always be wrong!
 
Which prophesies do you beleive that Jesus didnt fill?

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The ones that were forcibly concocted through forced readings and misinterpretations of rabbinical sources?

If one looks at the 'prophesies' from the other side (force-fitting supposed or self-adjudicated qualifications to justify the end results), then the entire enterprise of the gospels falls to withers. It explains the contortions and disparities almost cunningly. Viewed this way, the shambles of 'Davidic lineage' and 'virgin birth' and a myriad other oddities come to light as thinly veiled attempts to parse prophesy from verses (whether prophetic or not) in order to justify a certain criteria.
 
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There are still many secret library's out there, which only the church know off.
Anything to back this pronouncement up or are you just pulling it out of thin air?

How come Kings and President's fail to live on the 10 commandments Mozes gave to the people who wanted to follow God...
I don’t know about kings, but presidents fail to live up to the 10 commandments because they go against commercialism, the basis for our economy.

1) God didnt need that human to sacrifice people from sin.. I think Jezus who allready was in Heaven, wanted to come down, to teach earthly people about God..
He did a lousy job of it then. Limited to a small geographic area with only a handful of followers in addition to the millions that came before his purported arrival. The church that was eventually established seems to be more concerned with control than general human welfare.

But 2000 years ago if you had you'r own opinion about God, they simply killed you, it was forbidden to speak about it,
Must be why there are so many gods then. :sardonic

only what those jews said where true, What where they doing at that time ?
Going about their lives one would imagine.

where the poor people being robbed from there money so the King could build his palace ?
You’re right, that’s the church’s job!

No evidence of the Flood ??
Correct there is not evidence of a global flood. What you attempt to site as evidence illustrates your ignorance of the subject.

3) Genesis is unsupported because they cut the bible in pieces, and have worked very hard to put the pieces nice togheter.. For the church his best and for the King
ofcourse..
You’re admitting that the bible was corrupted by human hands and that god didn’t intervene and protect it.

4) The problem of Evil, you man or woman, have on each side of you'r shoulder an angel, and on the left side the angel write's all bad things you think ,and on the other side, the other write's all good things you think.. so when each day you awake in a new day, Earth try's to build the path that you are thinkin...
You’re joking, right? Please tell me you’re joking. BTW you didn’t even attempt to answer the question.

12) Free will stil exists, look: If God was so perfect and used u as a pupet, would He just let all people live in peace and wonderfull love of all colors without seperation from eachother ?...
You just contradicted what you said in 4!

I’m not even attempting the others.

ned flandas
Which prophesies do you beleive that Jesus didnt fill?
I’ve already answered that question. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. Or did world peace break out while I wasn’t looking?

Ossai
 
ned flandas
When did you answer, sorry I missed that
When I ask “Why didn’t Jesus fulfill the messianic prophecies?”
The prophecies are mentioned right there in the question, emphasis added.

Ossai
 
Well i tell you why, Arabic people see the Devil in the people of Usa... And i'm very sorry to say that, because i think there are alot of great people out there, but just not in the political way, but i have to admit, i normally cannot permit myself to attack the government, The spiritual leaders are taking over, step by step.. You will see..

many old people ask themself sometimes, have i really lived ? Read that like Arabic do, and they see all stuff that they don't want to see..

really liveD (backwards --> Devil Yllaer .. you can say, Devil whYliar ?
If i can see that, many other people will see, it was for a good reason Jezus spoke Hebrew, but it's best we either learn chinese or arabic, for security reason's for our souls of the furure children.. Nature has to be re-developed by humans, if earth will die by human hands, the people will die a certain death to, and have no chance (for heaven maybe?)

Well and i just say, i have my own mind, i don't need any school teacher to tell me what is right or what is wrong. I don't go for profit, but i like to learn about prophet's.. The Qu'ran therefore a Great Book, and should not be dismissed as garbage, Look at what they have done to Christ!!.. Plain simple murderers, It's a good luck people can reincarnate, else they would spend a long time in Hel..

And the reason why Muslims don't believe in reincarnation, is because for there long and very deep respect to Allah, and therefore deserve 7th heaven..
Jezus deserve's that to.. But some people at that time where just plain stupid and childlish!!

But then again, this is my own free mind , so i love to say FREEDOM, Is FREEDOM of mind, and FREEDOM is best found if you know what FREEDOM is.. FREEDOM of mind! NEOPOLITIC!
 
And therefore, if you people are true believers, Like every President love's tosay, May God bless America, (Did you guys forgot that God love's everyone, therefore the 10 Commandments, Thou shall not kill!! how many times have they broke that law ? and many others ofcourse..

Also 9/11 (911 Emergency please) funny how they orchestrated it...
It just is a plan, so some secret society, tryie's to pull a view strings so they can try to blaim muslims, so in the hope they thought that Europe would stand next to them ,and fight all muslims.. But Europeans not all love to kill other people, i rather learn many things from them, and there rare usual methods of the way they live (evil?)
You see what i want to say ? American's sell everything what they can find on earth.. they even sell there grandmother in law for a few bucks, even there daughter needs to prostitue herself for a few bucks, and it's all normal they see, it's all alowed..
but are you sure of that ?? Some people tend to have alot of respect towards other people, but all i see is, people only respect death presidents..
They are just as misguided as Judas was.. And many governements are trying to clean that secret up.. But someday we all know, that the thruth will set you free, but it can hurt as a pain the butt
 

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