Why do Republicans hate Common Core educational standards?

[Travis]

I've seen a lot of animus against Common Core educational standards from conservatives on facebook, on their blogs and on their forums.

But I have yet to really get their problem with it. I see lots of talk about it being "indoctrination" and teaching "new math" and things like that.

You don’t have the federal government controlling opinions and indoctrinating students and teachers with what they want the public to learn, and basically what they want the public to learn is that which is ‘common’ – which is why it’s called Common Core. I believe in exceptionalism and I think what Common Core does is it brings it all down to the lowest common denominator. It’s much like socialism. Socialism has been spreading poverty equally across the world and that’s not what we believe in. We believe in exceptionalism and that’s what our country should be advancing, not commonality.

http://wpc.14cb.edgecastcdn.net/0014CB/_definst_/frc/EF14B44.mp3​

See....it seems the Republican problem with Common Core is about uniform standards. Do Republicans really want students learning "exceptional" facts like wrong math, wrong history or wrong science? And how is having such uniform standards a hallmark of socialism?

That last is important because what the current "gay fad" is intended to do is to break this passing along of received wisdom from our forbearers. The Left wants to make a "New Man" and to do that the chain of "contagion" of old ideas and beliefs must be broken. Children must be raised by the State or at least have the State be the primary influence over their intellectual and moral development. Common Core is one of the tools now being implemented to accomplish this, and that is being promoted in both the public schools (the original source for Leftist indoctrination) and the private ones as well.

http://www.teapartynation.com/profi...ogPost:2713603&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post​

Huh? Do Republicans think that Common Core is going to invent a new history?

Again, how are universal education standards part of "Leftist Indoctrination?"

Fox News even seems confused on this matter.

In the legitimate category: Do the standards identify the right knowledge and skills for students to master in order to be college and career ready? And why can’t the Obama administration back off and let states manage their own affairs (as many of us have urged)?

But some critiques are flat-out unfair. For example, the issue of “liberal indoctrination” has been raised in multiple corners.

This is wrong on two counts.

First, liberal indoctrination predates the Common Core; it’s been going on forever. And second, these particular standards (which, by the way, don’t prescribe textbooks, homework, or even curriculum) are neutral on just about every controversial political issue imaginable.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/05/truth-about-common-core/​

So Common Core is wrong because states should choose their own standards but isn't wrong itself because the curriculum is solid.

Huh, what? So it is good but because it comes from Obama it is wrong?

While proponents of the Common Core claim that the new standards are focused on “college and career readiness,” more evidence is surfacing that a central purpose of the initiative is social justice and income redistribution indoctrination.
Social justice indoctrination in Common Core is not just limited to language arts.
Radical Math is a group founded by Jonathan Osler who teaches math and community organizing at a Coalition of Essential Schools (CES) high school in Brooklyn, New York. Its website states Radical Math is "a resource for educators interested in integrating issues of social and economic justice into their math classes and curriculum.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...o-Social-Justice-Indoctrination-In-Math-Class​

That is interesting. Of course it completely ignores three things 1) Teaching kids to apply math to social problems is actually a pretty good idea 2) Radical Math doesn't seem to be telling kids what their opinion on the various issues should be and 3) Radical Math doesn't seem to have anything to do with Common Core.

The last bit is the most important.

Common Core is a curriculum to be very wary of based on the people who are putting it together, one of whom is Linda-Darling Hammond who was endorsed by domestic terrorist Bill Ayers for Secretary of Education and served as an advisor to the Obama campaign.

What EXACTLY is Common Core?

Essentially it is a standardized, all-out assault on learning: it is designed to further lower schools standards and is supported by the teachers' unions which have a self-serving interest in avoiding as much accountability as possible; the lower the standards, the less push back against the teachers, too many of whom are failing the young trapped in the government schools. The over arching ideology that shapes this agenda is far leftist ideology, that is much more intense and deliberately focused than that which tends to be a somewhat sporadic, less uniform at present.

Okay. But can you give us some examples.

The curriculum even includes teaching math in such a way, that non ideological Math experts who have looked at the proposed programs are telling us that "it marks the end of improvement in education." Moreover it devalues and de-emphasizes traditional literary works in favor of song lyrics and of course, government documents. I am willing to bet that these documents will be carefully cropped to make the left all-powerful and the only channel of the flow of such information, or should we say disinformation?

http://www.catholictradition.org/common-core.htm​

So, Common Core is wrong because of who endorses it, and it lowers standards even though I've seen zero evidence of this so far. Oh and it might make the Left look good, maybe.

And what is it that "math experts" are railing against here?

Are they talking about things like this: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...e-math-problem-making-the-rounds-on-facebook/

I mean what is wrong with teaching math that way?

That looks pretty darned useful to me. Is it now a political thing that math must be taught by rote? How did that happen? If teaching math in such a way as to confer a greater understanding of why the numbers work reaches more kids (I would have been among them as the old way of teaching math completely failed me) wouldn't that be a good thing?

Is the Republican resistance to teaching kids good math a part of their larger agenda to keep kids out of schools?

I mean in the end that's the only thing I can think of as driving all this. We already know Republicans hate education and teachers in particular (see what happened in Wisconsin as a good example of their hate) so is the assault on Common Core just another brick in the agenda of denying education to what they view as the gutter classes? I say, yes.

That is my take on all this.

 

[The Big Dog]

Another all Republicans are hive mind thread? Gee...

"Republicans hate education and teachers...."

Face palm.....

 

[Unabogie]

Another all Republicans are hive mind thread? Gee...

"Republicans hate education and teachers...."

Face palm.....

Why are all the Teabaggers carping about Common Core, then? Should we just ignore it?

 

[The Big Dog]

Why are all the Teabaggers carping about Common Core, then? Should we just ignore it?

"all" "teabaggers" "carping."

 

[plague311]

"all" "teabaggers" "carping."

So you pointed out that he used general commentary. Do you think this somehow proves a point? Are you even trying to make one? This seems to be your common posting style. Instead of actually saying anything you just pick out certain things you don't like in a previous post, then expect that since you did that, everything they said it useless. Do you actually have something to say to rebut the OP or are you just here to whine about the thread? Please, try being honest.

 

[TragicMonkey]

The only problem with the Common Core is that there's not enough Jebus in it. Jebus is the truth and the light and at least fifteen minutes of every hour of lessons should be nothing but teaching about Jebus's take on the subject matter. How did Jebus feel about fractions? (He burned them as witches.) Did Jebus heal the dinosaurs? (No, they didn't exist because Jebus made the world 6000 years ago.) What side did Jebus take in the Opium War? (He was pro-British, because Jebus was white.) Who was Jebus's favorite president? (Himself, Jebus was the first president because George Washington's wooden teeth were fashioned out of the True Cross, which enabled Jebus to possess his corpse and rule the night as an undead god-president. That's why Martha had to die, she planned a tell-all book.)

 

[The Big Dog]

So you pointed out that he used general commentary. Do you think this somehow proves a point? Are you even trying to make one? This seems to be your common posting style. Instead of actually saying anything you just pick out certain things you don't like in a previous post, then expect that since you did that, everything they said it useless. Do you actually have something to say to rebut the OP or are you just here to whine about the thread? Please, try being honest.

Sure! This is a forum for critical thinking.

This thread consists of nothing more than wildly overblown generalizations that make a complete and utter mockery of the concept of critical thinking.

Do you have anything to say about the thread or are you just here to whine about my posts. Please, try to be honest.

 

[Unabogie]

Sure! This is a forum for critical thinking.

This thread consists of nothing more than wildly overblown generalizations that make a complete and utter mockery of the concept of critical thinking.

Do you have anything to say about the thread or are you just here to whine about my posts. Please, try to be honest.

Granted, there is a small fraction of Teabaggers who do not believe in Benghazi conspiracy theories, the evil of Agenda 21, and the "fact" that Common Core is a Bolshevik plot, but why focus on the fringe?

 

[plague311]

Sure! This is a forum for critical thinking.

And you're under the impression that your previous posts = critical thinking? Interesting. I was thinking they were something along a different line.

This thread consists of nothing more than wildly overblown generalizations that make a complete and utter mockery of the concept of critical thinking.

"nothing more" "wildly overblown" "complete and utter mockery"

Oh, look at that, it is kind of fun to not actually say anything but imply that I am better than other people.

Do you have anything to say about the thread or are you just here to whine about my posts. Please, try to be honest.

I sure do, but it's pretty mundane. As per all things that have anything to do with education, the Republicans are moving in the wrong direction, which the OP proves.

 

[The Big Dog]

And you're under the impression that your previous posts = critical thinking? Interesting. I was thinking they were something along a different line.



"nothing more" "wildly overblown" "complete and utter mockery"

Oh, look at that, it is kind of fun to not actually say anything but imply that I am better than other people.



I sure do, but it's pretty mundane. As per all things that have anything to do with education, the Republicans are moving in the wrong direction, which the OP proves.

That is curious, you managed to type a lot of words and not address my key point that the op is a fallacious generalization.

Huh. " Curious. "

 

[Brainster]

Here are some obvious Republican critics:

Carol Burris, an acclaimed high school principal on Long Island, calls the Common Core a “disaster.”

“We see kids,” she said, “they don’t want to go to school anymore.”

Leaders of both parties in the New York Legislature want to rethink how the state uses the Common Core.

The statewide teachers’ union withdrew its support for the standards last month until “major course corrections” took place.

“There are days I think, ‘Oh my God, we have to slow this thing down, there are so many problems,’ ” said Catherine T. Nolan, a Queens Democrat who is chairwoman of the State Assembly Education Committee.

The objections in New York have become so loud, and have come from such a wide political spectrum, that even the governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, a Democrat, has become a critic. Governor Cuomo has called the state’s execution of the standards “flawed” and appointed a panel to recommend changes.

 

[Wolrab]

All those damn conservative teacher's unions are all up in arms too.

 

[Unabogie]

Here are some obvious Republican critics:

There's criticism based on educational outcomes, and then there's nuttery based on conspiracy theories about indoctrination and nanny states. They are not the same thing.

 

[ehcks]

“We see kids,” she said, “they don’t want to go to school anymore.”

Have kids ever wanted to go to school?

 

[Travis]

Another all Republicans are hive mind thread? Gee...

"Republicans hate education and teachers...."

Face palm.....

You had an opportunity to explain why Common Core is bad and you blew it.

Here are some obvious Republican critics:

Here we actually have something. However these sound more like criticisms of how a new program is being implemented. I don't really see an explanation of how it is "indoctrination" to the Left.

All those damn conservative teacher's unions are all up in arms too.

Are they? Which ones? What are the complaints?

 

[The Big Dog]

You had an opportunity to explain why Common Core is bad and you blew it.
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Instead I pointed out your grossly fallacious premise.

It is called critical thinking, you had a chance to use it and you blew it.

"Republicans hate education" is stundies worthy.

 

[Ladewig]

You had an opportunity to explain why Common Core is bad and you blew it.

But the opening post is a hodgepodge of valid criticism and kooky claims that appear to be strong evidence of Dunning Kruger (many people who are not skilled at analyzing subjects as complex as the American education system are so over-confident of their analytical abilities that they become some of the loudest voices).


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ETA:
friendly advice.
The next time you find right-wingers wanting to change something, try to think of a possible motivation that does not involve them hating a group of people (e.g. teachers).

I think we have gotten to the point that if you were to start a thread titled, "Republican Speaker of the House bathes in blood of young children as part of pact with the devil," then there would be a lot of JREF posters who would think you were serious.

 

[thaiboxerken]

"Republicans hate education" is stundies worthy.

Nominate it, then. See how far it goes as a stundie.

It is assumed that when the OP said "Republicans hate..." that it is a generalization of the majority of elected official and not a declaration that includes every single Republican. Well, reasonable people will assume this, so I understand your confusion.

 

[The Big Dog]

Nominate it, then. See how far it goes as a stundie.

It is assumed that when the OP said "Republicans hate..." that it is a generalization of the majority of elected official and not a declaration that includes every single Republican. Well, reasonable people will assume this, so I understand your confusion.

That s indeed the irony, ain't it? The op runs the stundies.

Cool attempt to rationalize the nonsense therein, though.

 

[AlBell]

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I think we have gotten to the point that if TRAVIS you were to start a thread titled, "Republican Speaker of the House bathes in blood of young children as part of pact with the devil," then there would be a lot of JREF posters who would think the threadyou were serious.

ftfy.