Cleon
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Why do people hate Jews?
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MaGZ.
First prove that there is a steady diet of holocaust propoganda. Then ask what effect that steady diet has.
You aren't exactly covering your race in glory.
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[humor]Because antisemites are secretly being manipuated by the Jews[/humor]
On a more serious note, I highly recommend the book Constantine's Sword, which details the history of European antisemitism. Antisemitism far predates Christianity.
It really begins in pre-Christian Rome and the root of it was that the Jews refused to assimilate into the Empire and become loyal polytheists like all the other conquered peoples. After all, Rome was willing to adopt "Jehovah" and make him an aspect of Jupiter. How ungrateful of Jews not to worship Minerva and Janus and Neptune! Plus, they refuse to eat with their neighbors just because the Romans really enjoyed shellfish and pork. So they seemed inhospitable.
It began there and then just escalated. When Rome destroyed the Temple, it engaged in its own holocaust, killing proportionally more Jews than the Germans did in the 1940's. And of course, they're the ones who kicked the Jews out of Israel in the first place (well, second place -- Babylon did it first)
So bad etiquette started it all? Damn, I should start taking these things more seriously.
a_unique_person
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That wasn't anti-semitism. The Romans were equal opportunity conquerers and subjugaters. In some ways, the Jews got off lightly, they were only banished. The Carthaginians were wiped off the face of the earth for their resistance to Rome. The entire druid population was killed (they were easy to find, since they mostly hung out on the one island.)
The Jewish culture is amazingly enduring, due to it's the amazing depth and richness. That has meant it has endured where other cultures would have just disappeared due to assimilation. While it has meant that they have endured, it also meant they were treated with suspicion.
The Babylonian times were equal for barbarity on all sides, no one singled out the Jews for attacks. Babylonians, Hittites, Egyptians, they just went around conquering, killing and pillaging in general. History is full such events. It is interesting to note the claims of Joshua for wiping out whole races. (even though it appears such claims were more bravado than fact).
Anti Semitism, that is, just hating Jews for being Jews, started in the Christian times, when the curious reason was that they supposedly were responsible for the death of Jesus, even though he wanted to be killed, according to the twisted and illogical theories of xianity.
why no mention of even a little Jewish history in this thread?
The original antisemitism was directed at Sephardi Jews, who were called everything from "Christ Killers" (not true for 2 reasons - 1, it was the Romans, so let´s blame the Italians! and 2. The NT is a myth anyway) to "Blood drinkers" also not true. The term antisemitism was coined by a German racist in the early 1800s. Sephardi Jews are semitic.
But this changed in around the 1900. Sephardis just did not weild power. So a new enemy (based on zionism) appeared, who were Ashkenazi Jews.
Ashkenazis are not related to Sephardi´s. They have white skin, for example. The connection is Judaism - religiion, not race. King Bulan of Khazaria converted to Judasim in 740AD, and thus was born Ashkenizi Jews (near the caucus mountains, where the word caucasian comes from)
These were the chaps killed by Hitler (plus many other peoples, of course). And this leads to the problem - sensibly, the Jewish homeland should have been a bit of Germany (Bavaria? It´s lovely there), which would suitably punish Germany, and not hassel the Palestinians. It is also nearer the Khazarian homeland (this is why yiddish sounds like a cross between German and Russian) Also, no one takes the Bible seriously, and it should not be used to justify creation of states. But is it this group who are today targeted by anti Jews - the non semetic peope who´s ancestors converted.
I´ve had some problems explaining this to my Christian friends, who tell me that Jesus was a white man (look at the paintings!) and this is why he was persecuted. Seriously, this has happened.
The big problem now is that people have been born in modern Israel, and it is just too late to suggest a better place, it would be another blow to the Israelis.
also, the use of the word antisemitic implies a 2000 year old conspiracy, even though most stopped blaming semitic Jews 100 years ago and switched to blaming non semetic for the world´s ills
Is this being pedantic? Sorry if it is. It doesn´t really answer the question either.
Anyway, most racism seems to me to stem from the Christian fundamentalists. not enough fun, too much mental.
The original antisemitism was directed at Sephardi Jews, who were called everything from "Christ Killers" (not true for 2 reasons - 1, it was the Romans, so let´s blame the Italians! and 2. The NT is a myth anyway) to "Blood drinkers" also not true. The term antisemitism was coined by a German racist in the early 1800s. Sephardi Jews are semitic.
But this changed in around the 1900. Sephardis just did not weild power. So a new enemy (based on zionism) appeared, who were Ashkenazi Jews.
Ashkenazis are not related to Sephardi´s. They have white skin, for example. The connection is Judaism - religiion, not race. King Bulan of Khazaria converted to Judasim in 740AD, and thus was born Ashkenizi Jews (near the caucus mountains, where the word caucasian comes from)
These were the chaps killed by Hitler (plus many other peoples, of course). And this leads to the problem - sensibly, the Jewish homeland should have been a bit of Germany (Bavaria? It´s lovely there), which would suitably punish Germany, and not hassel the Palestinians. It is also nearer the Khazarian homeland (this is why yiddish sounds like a cross between German and Russian) Also, no one takes the Bible seriously, and it should not be used to justify creation of states. But is it this group who are today targeted by anti Jews - the non semetic peope who´s ancestors converted.
I´ve had some problems explaining this to my Christian friends, who tell me that Jesus was a white man (look at the paintings!) and this is why he was persecuted. Seriously, this has happened.
The big problem now is that people have been born in modern Israel, and it is just too late to suggest a better place, it would be another blow to the Israelis.
also, the use of the word antisemitic implies a 2000 year old conspiracy, even though most stopped blaming semitic Jews 100 years ago and switched to blaming non semetic for the world´s ills
Is this being pedantic? Sorry if it is. It doesn´t really answer the question either.
Anyway, most racism seems to me to stem from the Christian fundamentalists. not enough fun, too much mental.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but has anyone mentioned "Fran Drescher's laugh" as an answer to the thread title question?
Nor did I say it was. I said it was the roots of antisemitism.
No, they weren't. The City of Carthage was salted, but the people, the Phoenicians (from whose name we get "Punic" for the "Punic Wars") lived on for another century until the Romans incorporated Syria (the last bastion of Phoenician culture) into the Empire. At that point, unlike Jews, the Phoenicians assimilated into Roman culture and began to identify as Romans. Had they not, they too would likely have been exiled.
No, they weren't. The druids themselves were slaughtered, but the peoples (the "population") continued to live in Northern Germany and Britain, and druidism survived well into the first millennium. They too were eventually absorbed into Christendom.
That's just not true. Jews were hated by Romans for being Jews. Romans were equal opportunity haters, but they hated each culture for different reasons. For the Phoenicians/Carthaginians, it was their arrogance. For the druids, it was their barbarism (from Roman eyes). For the Jews it was their monotheism (and that is hating Jews for being Jews). One by one, the other cultures were assimilated, leaving only the antisemitism.
The seeds of antisemitism were planted by the pagan Romans before Constantine made Christianity the Imperial Religion in the fourth century. Which doesn't forgive Christian antisemitism. It places into historical context.
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lol, you got me. I may even go back and edit my previous coment - an unforgivable mistake.
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The Jews killed Farfur...
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Wow. Wrong on so many levels.
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Simple question where is the proof that jews control the media? Need I remind you that jews working in Hollywood and the media, and some having ownership in media companies hardly constitutes a media controlled conspiracy. Speaking of which it is hard for me believe that the fundie christens are being persecuted in this country, for this group currently has the president by the balls and is having laws and policies solely written for their beliefs and comfort. I think the real problem that fundie christens have with the media is simply because of the self righteous distance then choose to place themselves at from the rest of their culture and society and therefore the media.