Why do people hate Jews?

[DreadNiK]

Not what I said at all.

Well, I had a lot of difficulty working out what you were trying to say, so it is unsuprising. It seemed to say Israel can't do anything but cause trouble...but the bit about citizens made little sense to me, so I just had to guess...

 

[webfusion]

What did you say, a_u_p?

 

[Mycroft]

# The people didn't like them from financial envy and because they had strong families and closed networks.

# The government didn't like them because the family-fortune system indirectly opposed the socialistic working class structure and made it look bad. Furthermore, the Jews didn't fit in with the pure race program the Nazis had in mind.

Closed networks? Family-fortune system?

 

[davefoc]

What did you say, a_u_p?

I believe that AUP's point was that he believed that Israel's past actions had led to some of the difficulties that it faces now.

Whether it is a valid criticism or not, it is a common one. But it also seems to be largely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

ETA:However I see that this is the third page of this thread and I suppose by the JREF unofficial rule book all digressions are allowed when the third page is reached.

So discuss away, I don't think there's ever been a thread on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict before, so perhaps it's time for one.

 

[Thomas]

Closed networks? Family-fortune system?

Closed networks are normal for immigrants in minority. Especially when they are not wanted, and since anti-semitism already was very common in Germany in the 20ies when Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, then I consider it to have been unavoidable. The Jews were more or less forced to stick together in closed networks - and whether they would had done it anyway must be left to the realm of speculation. Furthermore, it didn't make it any better that new laws deprived them from all their rights in the 30ies.

As for the family-fortune system, then I must admit that my sources are not as strong as they could have been. They are heavily based on historical tales that takes place in Germany in the 20ies and 30ies. It just makes sense to me, because that is what immigrants do where I come from, and they originate from the same general region as the Jews. Perhaps you have some good sources on this that are less anecdotal?

Slightly off-topic question, but perhaps relevant as to why "people hate Jews", and a question I have asked myself a few times which some of you might can answer (and hopefully justify): Why didn't the Gypsies get their own state as well? They were also mass-murdered by the Nazis, and proportional to their population, they actually suffered a greater loss than the Jews. I believe they originate from a part of India, so it wouldn't have been that hard to locate their "homeland" for them either. They are still more or less in flight today, and rarely appreciated by the countries that house them.

 

[Meadmaker]

I think comparing the Jews and the Gypsies shows the answer. If you compare the two cultures, they have almost nothing in common, except for the fact that they managed to keep a cultural identity despite not having a country of their own. They were always "foreigners" no matter where they went, and they were always persecuted. A lot of people have come up with reasons related to usury, religion, etc, for the hatred of the Jews, but in my opinion, those are excuses, not reasons. I say this because few if any of those reasons exist for hating the gypsies, but people hated them anyway.

As for the question of why the gypsies didn't get their own homeland after Hitler, there are a few answers. First, there was nowhere in the world with a gypsy majority. While the land at the east end of the Mediterranean had an overall Arab majority, there was a section of it that could be gerrymandered with a Jewish majority. Second, there was nowhere in the world where the gypsies themselves considered "home". The name is a derivative from "Egyptian", but they didn't come from there (and they don't call themselves that, anyway) but although the gypsies revered the idea of their ancient homeland, no one, including them, knew where it was. It was linguistic study that eventually provided the key, but I don't know when that happened. At any rate, they hadn't spent 1500 years saying "Next year somewhere in Northern India".

But I have wondered where displaced gypsies were resettled, assuming any significant number survived the genocide.

 

[davefoc]

All reasonable answers I think Meadmaker, but I think also the fact is that there was just too few of them to put together the kind of political apparatus that would secure a homeland and/or reparations.

I stand to be corrected, but I believe that there was no program to provide reparations for the Roma after WWII. I think most of the Jewish reparations actually went to the state of Israel which did not distribute them to individuals for that matter either.

 

[gtc]

Were their Roma (is that the correct term?) who had enough political experience to form a country?

If the Jews did not have the political leaders from at least the 1800s, who could found a nation and argue and negotiate with the international community, then I wonder if they would have ended up with a state.

I wonder if that also might help explain why the Kurds, Druze and Zoroastrians etc don't have a state.

This is more a question than an assertion.

 

[a_unique_person]

But I have wondered where displaced gypsies were resettled, assuming any significant number survived the genocide.

If you watch British film and TV, a few of them still wander around Great Britain.

 

[gtc]

If you watch British film and TV, a few of them still wander around Great Britain.

Are they the same people though?

 

[brodski]

Are they the same people though?

Not really, although the UK and Ireland do have their own traveling societies and traditions, there is often a lot of friction between these traveling communities and settled communities.
Most Romanies ("gypsies") in Europe are in southern and eastern Europe, and most of them live in settled communities, they are also probably the most discriminated against group in Europe.

 

[Thomas]

Good answers. Although I'm still in doubt about a few of the things stated by some of you, but they're not important.

 

[senorpogo]

This thread was simply started at this particular time because the Jews are killing so many people. The thread starter just wants the attention taken away from the fact the jews are murdering hundreds of people and wants people to remember jews are discriminated against.

You figured me out. It was always my plan to distract these free-thinking, open-minded sceptics from a widely-reported, hugely-discussed war by starting a thread on a message board. Now, with their attention turned away from CNN, Foxnews, the BBC, and the rest of the world's media and firmly placed on my mighty thread, I can carry out the rest of the agenda of my Zionist masters.

MWWAAHAHA!​

 

[bob_kark]

You figured me out. It was always my plan to distract these free-thinking, open-minded sceptics from a widely-reported, hugely-discussed war by starting a thread on a message board. Now, with their attention turned away from CNN, Foxnews, the BBC, and the rest of the world's media and firmly placed on my mighty thread, I can carry out the rest of the agenda of my Zionist masters.

MWWAAHAHA!​

Damn, I guess I was wrong...

 

[robinson]

Wow. And I thought it was because of circumcision. Thanks for the info.

 

[MaGZ]

That's something I've been thinking about as of late. In the modern world, a lot of is has to do with Israel or Zionism, but it seems to me - with the average knowledge of history that I have - the Jews have been a targeted group since the get go. Why? Is a large portion come from some Christian's view of Jews as "Christ-killers"? Is it because Jews are seen as being affluent and well off? Why do people hate Jews?

The Jewish Problem
http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs974b.html

 

[MaGZ]

No. Christians are currently being persecuted by the Jewish controlled media with their pro-drug, pro-gay, anti-family agenda.

I will soon be presenting the names of the Jews who control Hollywood.

 

[Policenaut]

Nice racist article there.

Quoted from the article:

"the Jews as a whole are destroying our society. Their policies are poison to us."
"Otherwise they will destroy us as surely as they have destroyed every other society in which they were given free rein."

What societies have been destroyed by Jews? It would seem many Jewish societies have been destroyed throughout history.

 

[MaGZ]

Of course not. But I don't understand your logic. Aren't the Israeli bombings that are taking place right now in retaliation against these very same attacks against Jews? So it is Jews fighting back. You can't have it both ways.



Are three lives worth killing 500 innocent Lebanese?

This is a false dilemma, you know very well the Hizbollah will never return the hostages, give me a break.

Don't get me wrong, I am sympathetic to the Jewish cause. In my very limited knowledge of the issue, I think they deserve a country of their own. But you cannot justify these bombings anymore on these three hostages. Israel needs to take a step back.

In you mind what is the Jewish cause?

Also, to what effect has a steady diet of holocaust propaganda dedicated you to the Jewish cause?

 

[Pardalis]

In you mind what is the Jewish cause?

Also, to what effect has a steady diet of holocaust propaganda dedicated you to the Jewish cause?

Edited by Cleon: 

Breach of civility and Rule 8 violation removed.