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Why do people hate Jews?

Many moons ago, Christians believed the bible when it said "no usury" and wouldn't lend money to other folks because they couldn't charge interest, therefore, they didn't make any money. The Jewish faith did not subscribe to the 'no usury" dictate, so they were quite willing to lend Christians money at some agreed upon interest rate. Well, this worked out okay, except for some inherent animosity amongst the Christians because they were having to lower themselves to have financial dealings with the pesky Jews.

IIRC, there were several kings who became heavily indebted to the Jews and instead of paying back the money, would spread stories about the Jews needing Christian infants to sacrifice for their "unholy rituals" and other such nonsense. The Christian faithful would get riled up because of the stories (and they probably owed some money to the Jews as well) and take to the streets in mass riots to slaughter the Jews or at least drive them out of town. Basically wiping out all their debt in the process. So, borrow money from the Jews until you're up to your eyeballs in debt, then riot against the Jews, drive them out and viola! No Debt!

Win-win situation for King and Christian subjects -- not so win-win for the Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England
 
The Mutha said:
Many moons ago, Christians believed the bible when it said "no usury" and wouldn't lend money to other folks because they couldn't charge interest, therefore, they didn't make any money. The Jewish faith did not subscribe to the 'no usury" dictate, so they were quite willing to lend Christians money at some agreed upon interest rate. Well, this worked out okay, except for some inherent animosity amongst the Christians because they were having to lower themselves to have financial dealings with the pesky Jews.
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Yes, the Templars as well were virtually destroyed by King Philip due to their lending practices, and the fact he owed a great deal to the Templars. At one point they rivaled the power of the RCC itself due to their wealth and land holdings. Now, they're a few guys that like to play dress up and pretend to have the Holy Grail...
 
Imho, the circle of hate -> self-defense -> group identity -> irritation -> hate has become stable.

When a group is cornered, they will stick together. Individuals will consider themselves either to be fully part of the group or not at all. The group becomes like a drop of oil in a bucket of water. This again fuels hate from the outside world.

It is only recently that the Jewish people have been able to transform their group identity into geographical statehood, a situation taken for granted by other ethnicities and their respective countries. We'll have to wait a few generations before we know if this has the potential of normalising the situation.
 
The Mutha said:
Many moons ago, Christians believed the bible when it said "no usury" and wouldn't lend money to other folks because they couldn't charge interest, therefore, they didn't make any money. The Jewish faith did not subscribe to the 'no usury" dictate, so they were quite willing to lend Christians money at some agreed upon interest rate. Well, this worked out okay, except for some inherent animosity amongst the Christians because they were having to lower themselves to have financial dealings with the pesky Jews.
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That, plus IIRC jews were forbidden from taking up "honest" professions, i.e. crafts, so they pretty much faced the choice of banking/moneylending or starving.
 
Chaos said:
That, plus IIRC jews were forbidden from taking up "honest" professions, i.e. crafts, so they pretty much faced the choice of banking/moneylending or starving.
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They couldn't own land either. That pretty much left out everything else than money lending/banking.
 
I think the time is drawing near for a "Why does Mel Gibson hate the Jews?" thread.
 
Dave1001 said:
Let's see if this ends up creating enough controversy to put another couple hundred million in Gibson's bank account ...
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The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."
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Deputy Mee then wrote an eight-page report detailing Gibson's rampage and comments. Sources say the sergeant on duty felt it was too "inflammatory." A lieutenant and captain then got involved and calls were made to Sheriff's headquarters. Sources say Mee was told Gibson's comments would incite a lot of "Jewish hatred," that the situation in Israel was "way too inflammatory." It was mentioned several times that Gibson, who wrote, directed, and produced 2004's "The Passion of the Christ," had incited "anti-Jewish sentiment" and "For a drunk driving arrest, is this really worth all that?"

We're told Deputy Mee was then ordered to write another report, leaving out the incendiary comments and conduct. Sources say Deputy Mee was told the sanitized report would eventually end up in the media and that he could write a supplemental report that contained the redacted information -- a report that would be locked in the watch commander's safe.
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Gotta wonder who leaked this ... who would have more incentive than Mel Gibson himself?
 
I don't know the answer to the OP question. I have participated in these threads before and I am not sure that I understand anything any better as a result of participating in these threads.

I have thought a lot about skeptic's view of the world which seems to involve often detecting anti-semitism where I don't see any. But I am not quite sure what to make of this. The particular world that I have lived in (white middle class, professional engineer) provided me with essentially no contact with anti-semitism. But obviusly that was not a reliable sample to get a feel for anti-semitism in the country or the world.

I do think that minorities are always discriminated against to some degree and since Jews are almost always a minority population it would be expected that there would be more discrimination against Jews than against the average person. Couple this with the religous issues involved in conflicts between Jews and non-Jews and maybe anti-semitism isn't all that unexpected.

One issue here is the propensity of some people to see anti-semitism as the most important part of the Arab hostitlity to Israel. My cut at this is that this notion is false and that if one holds this view one will per force exaggerate the anti-semitism that exists in the world. Part of the Zionist pitch is to attempt to equate the Israeli cause with the Jewish cause. An obvious result of this kind of pitch is that people opposed to Israel will often conflate opposition to Israel with opposition to Jews.
 
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bob_kark said:
Therefore, they've been considered invaders of sorts, similar to how people in the US view Mexican immigrants.
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I have never seen anyone view mexican * IMMIGRANTS* this way, and I live in a border state

Perhaps like the media you are tyring to mix criminal tresspasser with immigrant?

Yes in the case of criminal tresspassing thief, "invaders" would be a good term, but immigrant? Evidence?

We are proud of our mexican heritage

Do not pollute that pride by wishing criminals upon us
 
senorpogo said:
the Jews have been a targeted group since the get go. Why? Is a large portion come from some Christian's view of Jews as "Christ-killers"? Is it because Jews are seen as being affluent and well off? Why do people hate Jews?
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From my understanding, much of it originates in Medieval Europe. The Romans got rid of the Jews because they were troublesome, simple as that. But Europe rapidly became incredibly religious.

I think much of medieval Europe was probably as bad, religious wise, as the Pan-Islamic state people like Osama are going on about. Jews weren't allowed to own land or work land or anything of that sort. Simply because they weren't a christian.

As such they got into money lending - the one job they could do. And everyone hates people they owe money to, especially if they're also a heathen. In some places (notably Russia - see "A Fiddler On The Roof") they were fairly brutally persecuted.

This carried right through into the 20th Century, where many of Europe's banks and financial centres were owned by Jews. A lot of people lost all their life savings to banks and investment during the hyper-inflation in Germany, and then the Great Depression. Naturally, without anyone else to blame, the bankers and investment brokers were blamed. The Jews. I think this had a LOT to do with the rise of Nazi Germany. Hitler used that animosity, and used it to unite the country in hatred. It was a tool, for focusing. And they ran with it (big time).

Much of the modern anti-Jewish sentiment amongst muslims seems to stem from the same Nazi attitude. There was a lot of encouragement from former Nazis for the Muslim Brotherhood to really extend their goals from the success of Palestine to the extermination of the Jews. Most terrorist organisations were born out of that particular facet of the Brotherhood.

High profile Nazis like Francois Genoud have been directly involved in Islamic terrorism from the get-go.

-Andrew
 
Socialism and Families in Europe.

gumboot said:
This carried right through into the 20th Century, where many of Europe's banks and financial centres were owned by Jews. A lot of people lost all their life savings to banks and investment during the hyper-inflation in Germany, and then the Great Depression. Naturally, without anyone else to blame, the bankers and investment brokers were blamed. The Jews. I think this had a LOT to do with the rise of Nazi Germany. Hitler used that animosity, and used it to unite the country in hatred. It was a tool, for focusing. And they ran with it (big time).
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Banking is surely part of the reason why the Jews became a target for the Nazis, but I don't think it explains why 6 millions of them were murdered - including women and children.
This was also a conflict between socialism and the Jewish family-fortune system. The family is less important for the individual under a socialistic ideology, because you no longer need depend on children and forefathers to be financially secure. I.e. the government keep you above waters in troublesome times despite your age and family background.

That the common German Jews (not the bankers) did so well in general compared to the "splitting" German families, was cause of envy, and a dark spot on the quality and future of socialism in Germany. Remember the Nazis were: The National Socialist German Workers Party.

You say the Germans had no one else to blame during the inflation than the Jews, I don't find this to be correct, because it was all caused in great part by the heavy demands of the reparations placed upon the Germans following their loss in World War I. So they could easily blame the winners of this war, and as you know, they also tried to obtain revenge.

The Jewish families were viewed as vampires sucking on a bleeding country because they remained above waters and traded within closed networks. And let's of course not forget the very well off, the bankers. So,
  • The people didn't like them from financial envy and because they had strong families and closed networks.
  • The government didn't like them because the family-fortune system indirectly opposed the socialistic working class structure and made it look bad. Furthermore, the Jews didn't fit in with the pure race program the Nazis had in mind.
  • There were some money to be collected for the state.
  • From history, nobody seemed to like them anyway.
Now it must sound like I hate socialism, and actually I don't. I praise the parts of socialism that carries the financial freedom and the indepence it gives the individual (compared to forced family dependence). I enjoy many things about European socialism, but I'm also aware that the family-fortune structure seems to be stronger when in competition with socialism.

Read my last post in this thread on how this clash between socialism and family-fortune structures still is evident and a problem today in vast parts of Europe. Today it is just the Middle East immigrants who represent the old ways, if you like. Remember we used to have strong family dependence here in Europe, too.
 
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CplFerro said:
The essential argument is not "The Jews control X" but that the Jews as an entity are acting in such a way as to promote race-mixing, feminism, and homosexuality, all of which Mr. Farrell views as a threat to the (admittedly definitely declining) white race.
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Of course, ultra-orthodox jews are also not too supportive of feminism, homoxesuality, and race-mixing, either (though they don't oppose mixing with blacks, say, in particular, but with "the gentiles" in general). They, of course, are hated for being backward, racist religious fanatics who are out to stop the tide of progress...
 
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