Why do illegal aliens want so much sympathy?

[Ranb]

To be clear though, she needed to be arrested for being a dangerous illegal that endanger the lives of others; operating a motor vehicle with a license.

Oh, too bad for her. Instead of obeying the law, she went about staying in the country illegally and now she has a set back because her college education is being interrupted? Boo hoo for her. She got caught, time to pay. She has to start all over? I'm not convinced. She is hardly a person who can be taken at her word. Is there no place of higher education in Mexico that will give her credit for the classes she has taken in the USA? I can’t believe that all of the colleges in Mexico are like William and Mary or the University of WA in that outside credits do not count.

There are believe it or not, legal ways to enter the USA from Mexico. Look them up for yourself. She could have chose to re-enter legally (after leaving when she turned 18), but did not. Her choice.

I have only discussed her actions as an adult, except when I mentioned that she was brought here as a child. I find the choices she made as an adult to be wrong. Read my posts again and tell me I am complaining about a child. I am saying a woman chose to break the law.

She was driving without a license. There are other ways to get around. She presented an expired Mexican passport instead of a proper ID. She is an idiot.

Ranb

 

[Ranb]

That Mexican is just too lazy to abandon everything and everyone she's ever known and move into a foreign country with no money, no friends, and no support.

What do you base that suspicion on?

She chose to break the law by remaining in the USA as an adult. She admits to being here illegally. I have not seen anything that says she was forced to remain in the USA as an adult or that she would not be able to live in Mexico. I have not read any claim that she ever made any effort to make her stay in the USA a legal one. She wants to stay to finish her education.

So where is your evidence to support your claim that she has no money, friends or support outside of the USA?

Ranb

 

[pipelineaudio]

Do you use the same standards of victimhood when it comes to the crimes of wall street, the energy company and the GOP?

If they're breaking the law, yes. If the victim status is caused by the above tu quoquers breaking the law then yes. Why wouldn't I?

Of course I'd add a whole bunch more to your list, not sure why you singled those out besides some sort of bias

 

[pipelineaudio]

Pipe and Rand.. is it your opinion that this girl leave the USA as soon as she had the means? Should she have run away from her parents at age 11, back to Mexico and try to fend for herself in that third world country?

Legally yes, throw her out, but I have a big personal problem which would cloud my judgment in these matters.

I strongly believe that the better educated the mexican nationals become, the more they can do for their country. Anything that makes their country safer, more prosperous and above all, less corrupt is going to be good for Arizona in the long run.

On the one hand, of course, we absolutely can't support the level of ESL we are supplying with no tax base in the primary schools...On the other hand, them going to college here, while wrong legally, is probably on balance a good thing. I have a LOT more sympathy for the person who breaks in to get a good education, than for someone who just breaks in to steal my stuff

 

[Malerin]

I California, about 10% of the prisoners are illegals (around 17,000). It costs an average of $47,000 a year per inmate.

That's nearly a billion a year just to incarcerate illegals in California.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Why should we have to put up with illegal aliens that were raised in the USA wanting to stay in the USA when they become adults? They should move to crappy countries because....

 

[corplinx]

I California, about 10% of the prisoners are illegals (around 17,000). It costs an average of $47,000 a year per inmate.

That's nearly a billion a year just to incarcerate illegals in California.

Jeez, sounds like we need to deport the legal citizens. They are 90 percent of the prison population.

Thats 9 billion a year that could be saved.

In Tennessee, we have a sales tax but not an income tax. Thus, even "illegals" pay taxes.

 

[Malerin]

Why should we have to put up with illegal aliens that were raised in the USA wanting to stay in the USA when they become adults? They should move to crappy countries because....

...they're here illegally?

 

[Malerin]

Jeez, sounds like we need to deport the legal citizens. They are 90 percent of the prison population.

Thats 9 billion a year that could be saved

We certainly could use less criminals, but we are somewhat constrained by the constitution in what to do with American citizens, even those in jail. Fortunately, getting rid of people who are here illegally is an option. So is preventing them from coming here in the first place.

In Tennessee, we have a sales tax but not an income tax. Thus, even "illegals" pay taxes.

Who said they didn't? Since we're on the topic, do you think they pay enough sales tax to compensate for the public schooling their kids utilize? The ER rooms they go to? Roads they drive on? Social services they use?

Does America have such a shortage of poor non-English speakers that we need to import more from neighboring countries? Some of you sound like you're advocating an open border policy. Does anyone actually think we should do that?

 

[thaiboxerken]

...they're here illegally?

Right, that's a good incentive.

 

[corplinx]

Who said they didn't? Since we're on the topic, do you think they pay enough sales tax to compensate for the public schooling their kids utilize? The ER rooms they go to? Roads they drive on? Social services they use?

Yes. If they rent a home or apartment, the property taxes are paid by the landlord. They pay their sales taxes just like the rest of us.

The only difference between them and other people in the same socio-demographic is that they are not citizens.

 

[Malerin]

Yes. If they rent a home or apartment, the property taxes are paid by the landlord. They pay their sales taxes just like the rest of us.

I'm sorry, does "yes" refer to my question about whether illegals pay enough in taxes to compensate for the schools, prisons, hospitals, social services they use? I can assure you, they don't. Hell, the average middle class American doesn't pay their way in taxes. Which leads to the next point:

The only difference between them and other people in the same socio-demographic is that they are not citizens.

So you agree with me: we have plenty of poor subsidized Americans as is (I'll even grant you a lot of them don't know the King's English). So do we really need to let more poor people in? It seems to be a resource we have an abundance of.

 

[jakesteele]

Is it more fun to get hit by someone with a license and insurance?

Not physically, but a whole lot better medically and structurally(car). But that usually only happens when it's done by a legal citizen who had to show proof of American citizenship to get the license and insurance.

 

[CORed]

Who are the victims?

All the citizens whose jobs they "stole"? This of course is based on the mistaken notion that there is a fixed number of jobs in the economy.

 

[CORed]

She broke the law everyday?! Oh wait, yea, by simply living in the USA illegally. I gotcha. I wouldn't want to mistake your statement as hyperbole meant to paint an image of a thuggish criminal, running around robbing houses or anything.

How dare those evil illegal aliens break the law by coming to the US? If they had any morals at all,they'd let their kids starve because they can't find a decent job in Mexico, rather than break our sacred immigration laws.

 

[Ranb]

Colotl by her own admission remained in the USA for an education, not to avoid starving. Your hyperbole is not working here.

Ranb

 

[Malerin]

How dare those evil illegal aliens break the law by coming to the US? If they had any morals at all,they'd let their kids starve because they can't find a decent job in Mexico, rather than break our sacred immigration laws.

I don't think it's evil or even immoral. In her case, I would probably do the same thing. Who wants to live in a country where corruption and drug wars are the norm? I would take my chances in America.

That being said, as a person who lives in America, there are a finite amount of resources available. We can pick and choose who we let in the country. Poor people with no marketable skills need not apply. We have enough of them already.

 

[Ranb]

Is it more fun to get hit by someone with a license and insurance?

I have been hit by both the insured and uninsured. Trust me, getting hit by the insured is a whole lot less painful later on.

Ranb

 

[Lallante]

I genuinely dont understand how people can make a moral distinction based on which side of an imaginary line a person was born on.

Either hard-working people deserve the opportunity of a good education or they dont, why should their nationality matter? If the answer is mere pragmatism ("not enough to go around") then can we PLEASE stop with the moral pseudo-arguements - they are fallicious.

 

[cienaños]

So many people are under some sort of delusion that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. Maybe this is why there is so much uproar in response to efforts to protect ourselves. Maybe some more education is in order before any more knee jerking

Good idea, pipeline. In that spirit, I submit a simple quiz: which of the following two statements is an authentic editorial written over a hundred years ago?

A. Why permit an army of leprous, prosperity-sucking, progress-blasting Asiatics befoul our thoroughfares, degrade the city, repel immigration, drive out our people, break up our homes, take employment from our countrymen, corrupt the morals of our youth, establish opium joints, buy or steal the babe of poverty or slave, and taint with their brothels the lives of our young men?

B. The bamboo coons have sunk so low as to compete in the working sphere of our women. Our women, by god! More and more we see our legal citizen women being driven out of their blue collar low wage jobs - by these squintee eyed thieves of the night. Our legal citizen women are being forced into careers of depravity, like whoredom I say! Lo! All thanks to these rail-hoppers! It is with this in mind, that I urge - nay - strongly urge we organize, strike back, and put an end to this madness. If we unify nationwide thirty-eight state strong, it is my belief that we can purge our great nation of these erroneous americans.