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Why do I get upset about O'Reilly, anyway?

Forty-Two

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Last night, Mr. 42 and I had a late dinner out at a local pizza place. They were close to closing, so we were the only people in the dining room, and the television was tuned to The O'Reilly Factor. He was going on and on about how liberals are people who want to rid the country of all Christian traditional values and so on, setting up so many strawmen, it pained me to listen. I'm a regular viewer of "The Colbert Report," but until now I had no appreciation for how keen a satire Colbert produces.

As I listened to O'Reilly turn out absurdity after absurdity in the name of "unbiased fact," I rolled my eyes and sarcastically pointed out the obvious flaws to my husband. He started laughing and said, "The thing I find most entertaining is how seriously you're taking this."

I said, "I know it's his job to be outrageous, but he's eroding critical thinking in this country."

"And how does it affect you?"

"To some people, this is what passes for intellectual, informed debate."

"So? You're not one of those people."

"Well, sometimes I have to deal with those people, and they think this qualifies as objective opinion."

Mr. 42 has a point; I don't really think O'Reilly believes everything that he's saying. I don't believe politicians believe most of what they're saying, either; to them, it's most important that there are people who believe what they're saying, and this is just giving those people what they want. Very few people take O'Reilly seriously, and very few of those people will ever be in a serious political discussion with me.

So, why do I still feel as though I need to point out the flaws in his arguments? Why do I feel that, if I don't stand up for real debate, that I'm condoning his methods? When I hear him go on like that, it feels as though if I don't actively use his rhetoric as a mental exercise for finding logical fallacies, I'd be desensitizing myself to stupidity.

Before anyone accuses me of conservative bashing, I want to point out that I would have done the same thing had it been some far left blowhard; O'Reilly was just the one on the television in the restaurant last night.
 
I think your impulses are spot-on. Keep up the good fight.

And to ease sinus pressure: http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/

During his mail segment tonight, Bill read another crappy poem from a sycophantic viewer:

While watching the Factor, I’m smilin’
That Bill guy can be so beguilin’
He’s sharp and he’s bright
His words have a bite
And that’s why I keep on O’Reillyin’

Sam Aloisi
Harrison, NY

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Tom's Response:

With all due respect, we think we can do better:

Roses are red
O’Reilly’s balls are blue
Ever since his wife found out about that phone sex thing
 
"To some people, this is what passes for intellectual, informed debate."

And the problem is that these people vote. I wish there were some sort of intelligence test that people would have to pass before they could vote. And not just a multiple-choice test: a potential voter would have to be able to read a few paragraphs and answer a few questions; then write an 100-word essay on a chosen subject; and finally, be able to voice a political opinion in an intelligent manner. This would probably prevent 70-80% of Americans, from all directions on the political spectrum, from voting.
 
The same people that watch O'Reilly tend to be the same demograph of those who voted for Bush because they didn't want "dem dam homos" getting married.
 
And the problem is that these people vote. I wish there were some sort of intelligence test that people would have to pass before they could vote. And not just a multiple-choice test: a potential voter would have to be able to read a few paragraphs and answer a few questions; then write an 100-word essay on a chosen subject; and finally, be able to voice a political opinion in an intelligent manner. This would probably prevent 70-80% of Americans, from all directions on the political spectrum, from voting.


I often sway back and forth on that idea. Your test, however, does sound a bit extreme to me because I believe that an illiterate person could have an informed opinion on political matters. I am afraid that your estimate of 70-80% is about right.

Of course, there is no danger of any such test ever being implemented because the scoundrels in Congress (on both sides of the aisle) know that they must pander to the simpletons in order to be elected. An informed, educated, critically-thinking electorate scares the pants off of most politicians.
 
Such tests also can introduce bias into the voting system, above and beyond keeping irrational people from voting. The tests could, for example, try to prevent people that don't have "good christian values" from voting and the like.
 
If I ruled the world, every half hour of this stuff would have to be followed by a half-hour of rebuttal, which would probably have to be followed up by redress, followed by rebuttal, followed by a fourth opinion, until finally everyone started watching Fear Factor, instead.

Yep.
 
So what restaurant is this that has the turpitude to play O'Reilly while you are eating? :D

I want to cross it off my list, even though I listen to the ol' blowhard once and a while on the radio.
 
If I ruled the world, every half hour of this stuff would have to be followed by a half-hour of rebuttal, which would probably have to be followed up by redress, followed by rebuttal, followed by a fourth opinion, until finally everyone started watching Fear Factor, instead.

Yep.
I think that is the place you go to in the after life if you are really, really bad. :p
 
So what restaurant is this that has the turpitude to play O'Reilly while you are eating? :D

I want to cross it off my list, even though I listen to the ol' blowhard once and a while on the radio.

If you guys think that bad of Bill, what about Hannity, or Savage?
 
So, why do I still feel as though I need to point out the flaws in his arguments? Why do I feel that, if I don't stand up for real debate, that I'm condoning his methods?
Perhaps because he is the top rated Cable news pundit. I don't get it. The guy is just bizarre sometimes. I can't watch him.
 
If you guys think that bad of Bill, what about Hannity, or Savage?
I've only listened to Savage once. Odd. Hannity is a template. He says the same thing over and over and over. Alan Colmes is actually pretty good. When I chanell surfe I'll listen to Colmes and when it is Hannity's turn I change the chanell. I watched his entire segment when he and Colmes was escoriating a Fred Phelps follower (I think his son).
 
Perhaps because he is the top rated Cable news pundit. I don't get it. The guy is just bizarre sometimes. I can't watch him.

I disagree with him on 60% of his issues, yet I love watching him. I like TV people with attitude. Keeps the show interesting.
 
I've only listened to Savage once. Odd. Hannity is a template. He says the same thing over and over and over. Alan Colmes is actually pretty good. When I chanell surfe I'll listen to Colmes and when it is Hannity's turn I change the chanell. I watched his entire segment when he and Colmes was escoriating a Fred Phelps follower (I think his son).

I don't mind Hannity. Savage is by far the most extreme, although he does classify himself as an independent.

Hannity will defend the President to no end, so I listen to him when he talks about Iraq.

Colmes is a good guy to watch; I actually don't mind his viewpoint considering he is left=wing, as I actually think he can be civil about it and brings up a good point most of the time.
 
Colmes is a good guy to watch; I actually don't mind his viewpoint considering he is left=wing, as I actually think he can be civil about it and brings up a good point most of the time.
Agreed, so is Susan Estrich. Perhaps since I lean to the left and like their take on the issues it is indicitive that FOX's slant to the right has an influence. I honestly think this might be true.
 
Agreed, so is Susan Estrich. Perhaps since I lean to the left and like their take on the issues it is indicitive that FOX's slant to the right has an influence. I honestly think this might be true.

I still think Fox presents the news better then any other channel. CNN doesn't come close.
 
Frankly, I don't see how "I wish voting was restricted to intelligent people" whine is different than the "I wish voting was restricted to good Christian people" whine. In both cases what it really means is, "I wish voting was restricted to people who agree with me."
 

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