Why do communists often like affirmative action?

[NightG1]

I'm trying to show that the skyscraper culture pro-racial diversity Americanist propaganda won't work on me.

Yeah. Screw that skyscraper crowd with their jobs and work ethic. I'd rather be a bigoted jerk who still lives with his parents.

 

[Nikk]

I've read a little bit before about one of the guys in that article. There's an article about that guy called Wilhelm Reich in Randi's book, "An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural."

He's also mentioned in Jack Kerouac's novel called "On the Road" by a character who was based on William Burroughs who wrote "Naked Lunch."

You might like to get hold of W. Reich's book "Listen, Little Man".

Reich says about the book:-

"It reflects the inner turmoil of a scientist and physician who had observed the little man for many years and seen, first with astonishment, then with horror, what he does to himself; how he suffers, rebels, honors his enemies and murders his friends; how, wherever he acquires power 'in the name of the people,' he misuses it and transforms it into something more cruel than the tyranny he had previously suffered at the hands of upper-class sadists."

Its short and actually quite a good read.

 

[JAR]

OK, JAR, let's get some terms out of the way first.

What do you think is:

1) A communist, especially these days
2) Affirmative action - an American term if ever there was one
3) Reasons why you feel (1) actually even knows (2)
4) Reasons why you feel (1) likes (2).

Then we can make some headway.

My answers to those questions:

1) A communist these days is a person who thinks that all property should be government owned and he or she thinks that because he or she thinks that the individual is too irresponsible to be given control of wealth and that the individual, once he is given too much wealth, will waste it on things he or she doesn't need.

Thus communist want to reduce the wealth among certain members of society who make more money than others because in this way, the government can increase the amount of people employed and pay more money to those who are employed who are not payed much.

2)Affirmative action is an attempt to raise the standard of living among people of an impoverished ethnic group or race who are persecuted and/or have been persecuted and this is attempted by giving them an unfair advantage when it comes to getting a job or being enrolled in a school.

3)Malachi151 is a communist and he certainly knows what affirmative action is. I'm sure there are other forum-going communists who know what affirmative action is that I can't think of at the moment.

4)I think that affirmative action has an association with modern communists because Communist Party USA supports affirmative action.

 

[JAR]

I always thought AA was an initiative to not discriminate based on race or gender.

Wrong, absolutely wrong. Discrimination based on race or gender is exactly what affirmative action does.

There's the one argument against affirmative action that goes: {Affirmative action discriminates against people based on their race and racial discrimination is bad so we shouldn't use affirmative action, end of discussion!}

And then there is the affirmative action supporter counterargument that goes: {Wait, wait! There are exceptions to the rule that racial discrimination is bad and considering that blacks were enslaved by whites and to this day are not as well-to-do monetarily than whites, I think affirmative action is one of those exceptions.}

My opinion of affirmative action is that it is impractical. It's plain and simple, you hire the person or enroll the student who is more qualified to get the job done. By doing so, you encourage people to be more qualified. When affirmative action is used, the people who are hired or enrolled are more likely to be they who are less qualified and people have less encouragement to be the most qualified.

I think some people like affirmative action because they love the concept of showing all those bigoted white supremacists that blacks aren't as stupid as they think they are. It ties into the love of diversity which is the belief that racism among whites is a result of lack of social interaction between whites and non-whites. In my case, my racially diverse middle school made me like blacks and Mexicans less than I did before I went there.

When you interact with other races and ethnicities, you not only find out about their good qualities, but also, their bad ones.

 

[American]

2)Affirmative action is an attempt to raise the standard of living among people of an impoverished ethnic group or race who are persecuted and/or have been persecuted and this is attempted by giving them an unfair advantage when it comes to getting a job or being enrolled in a school.

I think it's more simple than that. 1) White guys like Ted Kennedy want minority votes. 2) A small minority of minorities are obnoxious with their political tactics, and school administrations give into pressure easily because they are spineless babies. These minority "leaders" claim to represent ALL minorities (which they don't), and do things like illegally occupy offices, interupt speeches and ceremonies, disrupt the peace with loud protest and use other similar methods to annoy people and bring attention to their ridiculous cause. That is affirmative action.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

My answers to those questions:

1) A communist these days is a person who thinks that all property should be government owned and he or she thinks that because he or she thinks that the individual is too irresponsible to be given control of wealth and that the individual, once he is given too much wealth, will waste it on things he or she doesn't need.

Thus communist want to reduce the wealth among certain members of society who make more money than others because in this way, the government can increase the amount of people employed and pay more money to those who are employed who are not payed much.

2)Affirmative action is an attempt to raise the standard of living among people of an impoverished ethnic group or race who are persecuted and/or have been persecuted and this is attempted by giving them an unfair advantage when it comes to getting a job or being enrolled in a school.

3)Malachi151 is a communist and he certainly knows what affirmative action is. I'm sure there are other forum-going communists who know what affirmative action is that I can't think of at the moment.

4)I think that affirmative action has an association with modern communists because Communist Party USA supports affirmative action.

And yet Socrates isn't green. How strange...

 

[peptoabysmal]

Why do communists often like affirmative action?

From what I know of communism, it is not a principal of communism to reduce poverty among an ethnic group or race by increasing employment among it and increasing unemployment among another ethnic group or race. I thought communists wanted everyone to be employed.

Communists want everyone to be employed by the state. The first thing you have to do to get communism to take root is remove individualism. Diversity is highly prized because it is "group thinking", not individualism.

Communists paint a rosy picture of everyone being equal and working hard in their little communal unit. Everyone's equal except for the bureaucrats at the top of the food chain once communism has gotten to the malignant stage like California before the Terminator saved us.

 

[Zep]

OK, then what do we think about government initiatives to assist those who cannot assist themselves for whatever reasons? Not necessarily a handout (although some think this is all there is) but a hand up. Such programs as unemployment relief, medical assistance, etc. And also things like public conveniences: public transport, gas, water, electricity, housing, and so on?

Is this "communism" in action? If so, do you advocate their removal?

 

[JAR]

OK, then what do we think about government initiatives to assist those who cannot assist themselves for whatever reasons? Not necessarily a handout (although some think this is all there is) but a hand up. Such programs as unemployment relief, medical assistance, etc. And also things like public conveniences: public transport, gas, water, electricity, housing, and so on?

Is this "communism" in action? If so, do you advocate their removal?

The key word in my opinion is "encouragement."

Being without money is a beneficial threat that looms over the heads of people to encourage them to work.

If a person can't work at all for some reason such as disability, then there is no reason for him or her to have that threat of being moneyless.

 

[Zep]

The key word in my opinion is "encouragement."

Being without money is a beneficial threat that looms over the heads of people to encourage them to work.

If a person can't work at all for some reason such as disability, then there is no reason for him or her to have that threat of being moneyless.

Then you would approve of retraining programs for people who have no work skills? This is encouragement, plus the provision of a skill-set that makes them useful to society and themselves.

You might also approve of some form of medical assistance for those people who are so ill as to be unable to actually work. I'm betting the vast majority would prefer to be back at work and paying the bills, to be useful to society. Surely that is better than denying them healthcare, keeping them sick and making them pay for that priviledge? Or is healthcare only for those who can afford it?