Why did they "pull" tower seven?

[JLord]

Just the fact that WTC7 was already pre-rigged with incendiaries/explosives just like the Twin Towers were confirms that it was destined to be struck by the third plane.

Not necessarily. It is possible that the plan all along was to use explosives to destroy WTC7 using damage from the other falling towers as the reason for the collapse. If so it worked pretty well since the general consensus is that this explanation is plausible. And the fourth plane went to the pentagon and no explosives were there, so it is possible the third plane was meant for some other target that had no explosives set up.

But from the perps point of view any building in the lens of the hovering helicopter's cameras would have done as long as the conditions were right and the spectacular visuals were guaranteed.

So then there was no particular reason WTC7 was targetted. I understand if this is your opinion but that still leaves me with no answer to the question of whether there are any possible conspiracy based reasons for targetting building seven.

I am not here to persuade you of anything. You will have to judge for yourself just as the present Readers and Readers in the future will have to do.

Of course, and I wasn't asking to be persuaded of anything. Just wondering whether there are any possible conspiracy related reasons as to why WTC7 might have been targetted. I'm not saying you have to believe the theory or try to convince me of it, but if you can imagine any possible reason why it might have been targetted that is what I'm interested in.

 

[bill smith]

Not necessarily. It is possible that the plan all along was to use explosives to destroy WTC7 using damage from the other falling towers as the reason for the collapse. If so it worked pretty well since the general consensus is that this explanation is plausible. And the fourth plane went to the pentagon and no explosives were there, so it is possible the third plane was meant for some other target that had no explosives set up.



So then there was no particular reason WTC7 was targetted. I understand if this is your opinion but that still leaves me with no answer to the question of whether there are any possible conspiracy based reasons for targetting building seven.



Of course, and I wasn't asking to be persuaded of anything. Just wondering whether there are any possible conspiracy related reasons as to why WTC7 might have been targetted. I'm not saying you have to believe the theory or try to convince me of it, but if you can imagine any possible reason why it might have been targetted that is what I'm interested in.

You mean that you think they may have rigged WTC7 with explosives/incendiaries so that they could deliberately perform the demolition and set the conspiracy theories going themselves ?

WTC7 was just a building in the right place. A part of the set. I have explained it's role pretty clearly a couple of pages back I think.

 

[jaydeehess]

So I guess then we are back to the fact that it could have been any building. If they had come up with a way to shoot oxygen from tanks upwards above the building then presumably they could have done this with any building. So I am still left with no reason to suggest why WTC7 was a target of the conspiracy.

Or simply put the O2 bottles in a room off the subway where they could be surreptitiously removed at some later date rather than risk them being discovered in the rubble of a building all of which would definately be seen by the workers who were picking it up, out in the open, to be trucked away

 

[triforcharity]

You know what I meant! Out of a city of ten million, how many conceivably worked in WTC7 on a daily basis, you think? Probably no more than a few thousand. I'm sure people knew it was THERE; however, they probably just viewed it as another one of the anonymous office buildings that permeate downtown Manhattan, if they thought about it at all.

Sabrina,

You are absolutely correct. If you had asked a week, or even a day prior to 911, what building 7 was, most NYers would have been clueless. Some may have asked if you were talking about the Solomon Brothers building. Most would not have known WTH you were talking about.

 

[jaydeehess]

Just the fact that WTC7 was already pre-rigged with incendiaries/explosives

Presupposes such a thing was in effect despite a lack of evidence

just like the Twin Towers were

Presupposes such a thing was in effect despite a lack of evidence

confirms that it was destined to be struck by the third plane.

Conclusion built upon unsubstantiated presuppositions

But from the perps point of view any building in the lens of the hovering helicopter's cameras would have done as long as the conditions were right and the spectacular visuals were guaranteed.

I thought Silverstein was in on this but he'd have had no interest in, say , Banker's Trust.

I am not here to persuade you of anything

.

And you are doing a fine job in that regard bill.

 

[triforcharity]

and trust me you'll never get one. Anyone can come up with a theory...

Here i'll take a go at it.

Bush wanted to go into iraq, cheney wanted to make more money. The only way they figured they could pull this off was to crash drones into the wtc 1 and 2 towers. The plan is hatched, everything is bullet proof, except one thing...this wasn't enough to wow the public.

*ring ring ring *
bush: Cheney what's up my brotha?
Cheney: Not much, you know that plan we discussed earlier, i don't think it's...
Bush: Enough? I was thinking the same thing
bush: We need a finale
cheney: Sears tower?
Bush: Nah too cliche'
cheney: Empire state building
bush: Remember the b-52 bomber? It's been done
cheney: It was a b-25
bush: I don't believe it, we both know that any information the government puts out is false and full of lies, anyway how about wct7, no one knows about it and it's right next to the wtc 1 and 2 towers. After we bring down 1 and 2 and have debris rain on top of it, this will be perfect cover to light fires from within, we'll blame the diseal feul tanks that feed the building. We'll make sure to stash a bunch of twinkies in there to feed the fires. Everyone knows that those ****ers burn like a mo-fo.
Cheney: Damn right
bush: But wait, how are we going to bring it down?
Cheney: Super duper nano thermite, it's untraceable and leaves no trace of anything...even bomb sniffing dogs won't be able to trace it. Also it can be painted on so we don't have to come up with any contraptions to hold it to the main columns.
Bush: Brilliant.
Cheney: Wait, what the **** is wtc7?
Bush: Only the most super secret building ever known to man, woman or alien.
Cheney: Muaaaahhhah ahahahahahahahah
cheney: Isn't there super secret documents planted there that need to be destroyed?
Bush: Yes and we will make sure we take those out with the building....wait hold on i have an incomming call
silverstein: What's up nacho libre?
Bush: ****, chillin, on the phone with cheney hold on i'll conference you in
bush: Cheney you there??
Cheney: Check
bush: Silverstein?
Silverstein: Yo
cheney: What's up you *********** bastard, been a long time. Wanna come with me to my illuminati meeting tonight?
Silverstein: Nah i went last night
cheney: I'm making a vewwwy sad face
silverstein: It will be ok...
*bush and cheney fill in silverstein*
silverstein: Perfect, when does this happen?
Bush: On 9/11/01 get it 911?
Cheney: Ok it's a done deal
bush: Bingo bango
Silverstein: Heshushi scores!

I assume it went something like that.

and we have a winner!!

 

[jaydeehess]

Sabrina,

You are absolutely correct. If you had asked a week, or even a day prior to 911, what building 7 was, most NYers would have been clueless. Some may have asked if you were talking about the Solomon Brothers building. Most would not have known WTH you were talking about.

Well I live 1000+ miles from NYC and although I had heard of the WTC, I would have envisioned only the towers. I had no idea that there were 7 WTC buildings. I knew of Solomon Bros. and would have not been at all suprised that there was a Solomon Bros. building in NYC/Manhattan but would have had to be told it was part of a WTC complex of buildings.

 

[triforcharity]

Well I live 1000+ miles from NYC and although I had heard of the WTC, I would have envisioned only the towers. I had no idea that there were 7 WTC buildings. I knew of Solomon Bros. and would have not been at all suprised that there was a Solomon Bros. building in NYC/Manhattan but would have had to be told it was part of a WTC complex of buildings.

Exactly. Most people that lived outside Manhattan didn't know the WTC was actually 7 buildings all together.

But, you know how truthers work......

 

[bill smith]

Presupposes such a thing was in effect despite a lack of evidence

Presupposes such a thing was in effect despite a lack of evidence

Conclusion built upon unsubstantiated presuppositions




I thought Silverstein was in on this but he'd have had no interest in, say , Banker's Trust.

.

And you are doing a fine job in that regard bill.

I guess the easist thing to do is lay a hyperlink on you. I recommend that interested Readers read my posts in this thread from page 1.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6258171&postcount=18 hyperlink

 

[triforcharity]

I guess the easist thing to do is lay a hyperlink on you. I recommend that interested Readers read my posts in this thread from page 1.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6258171&postcount=18 hyperlink

I am certain that this occured in many buildings all over Manhattan that day.

Der.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

WTC7 was just a building in the right place. A part of the set. I have explained it's role pretty clearly a couple of pages back I think.

Ok show us your evidence for that assertion?. The collapse looks like no other CD ever before, it collapses just as all other high rise building with damage and uncontrolled fires collapsed. The NYFD thought it would collapse and saw it starting to fail. The 4th plane was going in the wrong direction to hit an unknown building in NYC but in the right direction for several very famous and politically charged target in Washington.

But apart from that...........

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I guess the easist thing to do is lay a hyperlink on you. I recommend that interested Readers read my posts in this thread from page 1.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6258171&postcount=18 hyperlink

"Jeez....it was almost as if someone had said that a plane was about to hit the building or something.

Two planes had already done that within yards of WTC7......seems like almost all the offices around the WTC would have been empty by then.

 

[triforcharity]

Two planes had already done that within yards of WTC7......seems like almost all the offices around the WTC would have been empty by then.

They were. FDNY and NYPD ordered the entire Lower Manhattan area to be evacuated.

 

[Bell]

They were. FDNY and NYPD ordered the entire Lower Manhattan area to be evacuated.

Many places were evacuated that day, from Sears Tower to Disney Land/World.

 

[JLord]

You mean that you think they may have rigged WTC7 with explosives/incendiaries so that they could deliberately perform the demolition and set the conspiracy theories going themselves ?

The way it played out they still had a plausible reason for the collapse that was accepted by many experts in many related fields. So it is possible that this was the plan all along. After all it did work pretty well. So you would have to admit that it was a possibility given that nobody knows the true intent or reason for the conspiracy.

WTC7 was just a building in the right place. A part of the set. I have explained it's role pretty clearly a couple of pages back I think

I'm not criticizing you for not being able to think of a possible conspiracy related for targetting WTC7. It is quite possible that no such reason exists and the building was just chosen randomly as you suggest.

 

[Sabretooth]

...It is quite possible that no such reason exists and the [WTC7] was just chosen randomly as you suggest.

So "they" choose to demo WTC7 just by sheer luck? A roll of the dice? Talk about a lucky draw!

The J in your SN doesn't stand for "Jammonius" by any chance, does it?

 

[JLord]

So "they" choose to demo WTC7 just by sheer luck? A roll of the dice? Talk about a lucky draw!

Well nobody has suggested any possible conspiracy based reason for the choice of WTC7. So the alternative (within the conspiracy realm) would be that they just needed another building and chose WTC7 for no particular reason. It isn't really lucky in any way. We could just as easily be talking about WCT6 or some other nearby building. One is no luckier than the other.

The J in your SN doesn't stand for "Jammonius" by any chance, does it?

No.

 

[bill smith]

The way it played out they still had a plausible reason for the collapse that was accepted by many experts in many related fields. So it is possible that this was the plan all along. After all it did work pretty well. So you would have to admit that it was a possibility given that nobody knows the true intent or reason for the conspiracy.



I'm not criticizing you for not being able to think of a possible conspiracy related for targetting WTC7. It is quite possible that no such reason exists and the building was just chosen randomly as you suggest.

Well if you squeeze your eyes real tight closed, cross your fingers and spin around three times while chanting 'Everything is possible' I guess that you could imagine that WTC7 might not have been a controlled demolition.

It did work well as you say. It was probably one of the most skilled controlled demolitions carried out in the history of controlled demolition.

Seven was just part of the set. There was 'nothing personal' in it if you know what I mean.

 

[JLord]

Seven was just part of the set. There was 'nothing personal' in it if you know what I mean.

So in other words you can't think of any possible conspiracy reason why WTC7 might have been targetted over any other nearby building.

Since you appear to be the only "truther" posting here and nobody else is trying to provide serious answers I guess I will try looking elsewhere for possible theories. It has been an interesting discussion though.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The J in your SN doesn't stand for "Jammonius" by any chance, does it?

Couldn't be. I don't feel like strangling him.