Why did the WTC columns pull in?

Newtons Bit said:
Please provide link/source to this test. I've heard of no such thing.
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Let me get this straight.... you are not aware of any tests that NIST did (carried out by UL on their behalf) that simulated a fire acting upon the floor assemblies used in the WTC buildings?
 
R.Mackey said:
Welcome to the Forums.

NIST did not do a "real live test" of this situation. You are probably referring to the certification test NCSTAR1-6B, which is not in any way similar, nor do the results of that test conflict with NIST's pull-in theory.

If you go to Page 2 of this very thread, you will see where I provide a paper by Dr. James Quintiere, who did do a real live test of this scenario, and confirmed that it happens. He even matches the expected timing.

As a result, we are not particularly bothered.
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If Newton can draw diagrams (that don't relate to reality). I'm sure he can speak for himself.
 
Mr X said:
Let me get this straight.... you are not aware of any tests that NIST did (carried out by UL on their behalf) that simulated a fire acting upon the floor assemblies used in the WTC buildings?
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I suggest you actually read the test performed. You might learn that they never even included the columns in the test. We are talking about severed columns, remember?

I realize it's hard to be a part of the "Truth" without intentionally distorting every fact and test you come across, but on this forum we will hold you to a higher standard than the truther B.S.
 
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Mr X said:
If Newton can draw diagrams (that don't relate to reality). I'm sure he can speak for himself.
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Are you suggesting that only Newton's Bit can answer your question?

You're not exactly honest with your intentions here, are you?
 
R.Mackey said:
Are you suggesting that only Newton's Bit can answer your question?

You're not exactly honest with your intentions here, are you?
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My intention is to understand his diagram. Isn't that why its there in the first palce ...................oh shouldn't that be for Newton to answer.
 
Mr X said:
My intention is to understand his diagram. Isn't that why its there in the first palce ...................oh shouldn't that be for Newton to answer.
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Nice backpedal. What you asked, visible on this very page, is whether we were "bothered" by some alleged test of NIST's that allegedly showed this effect does not occur.

That was incorrect. I gave you information to verify this.

Any knowledgeable person could answer this. It happened to be me.

Now that you have my reply, do you understand that NIST did not conduct any such test, that other researchers have and confirmed this mechanism, and that we are not bothered? Yes or no?
 
Newtons Bit said:
I suggest you actually read the test performed. You might learn that they never even included the columns in the test. We are talking about severed columns, remember?

I realize it's hard to be a part of the "Truth" without intentionally distorting every fact and test you come across, but on this forum we will hold you to a higher standard than the truther B.S.
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Dude this isn't about me.... it's about YOUR diagram.
Let me ask you another question relating to it. Do you know of any reason why your floor is only connected to one wall. Granted you could say the plane took out one of them... but what about the other two?
 
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Mr X said:
My intention is to understand his diagram. Isn't that why its there in the first palce ...................oh shouldn't that be for Newton to answer.
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Anybody who actually believes this should take a look at the "Sometimes I wonder..." thread. Mr X is not just a troll, but a self-confessed troll.

Dave
 
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R.Mackey said:
Welcome to the Forums.

NIST did not do a "real live test" of this situation. You are probably referring to the certification test NCSTAR1-6B, which is not in any way similar, nor do the results of that test conflict with NIST's pull-in theory.

If you go to Page 2 of this very thread, you will see where I provide a paper by Dr. James Quintiere, who did do a real live test of this scenario, and confirmed that it happens. He even matches the expected timing.

As a result, we are not particularly bothered.
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Anyway thanks for the welcome........... so far so good......ha!

Now that Dr. James Quintiere, is he the same one who's calling for an independant investigation and calling the official NIST conclusion questionable........... I'm confused.
 
Mr X said:
Dude this isn't about me.... it's about YOUR diagram.
Let me ask you another question relating to it. Do you know of any reason why your floor is only connected to one wall. Granted you could say the plane took out one of them... but what about the other three?
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And why is the diagram so flat?!? WTC wasn't flat! It was THREE-DIMENSIONAL!!!!

It also wasn't in black and white.

PWNED!
 
Mr X said:
Anyway thanks for the welcome........... so far so good......ha!

Now that Dr. James Quintiere, is he the same one who's calling for an independant investigation and calling the official NIST conclusion questionable........... I'm confused.
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Obviously, if you do not know what Quintiere is talking about. Does he think it was CD?
 
Mr X said:
Anyway thanks for the welcome........... so far so good......ha!

Now that Dr. James Quintiere, is he the same one who's calling for an independant investigation and calling the official NIST conclusion questionable........... I'm confused.
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You're confused because you don't understand Dr. Quintiere's concerns in detail. He believes that the fireproofing in the WTC Towers was insufficient as designed. He also believes that NIST's result, stating that had the fireproofing not been dislodged by the impact, the Towers would not have collapsed, is incorrect. He believes NIST reached this result because they used an overly conservative estimate of flammable office materials.

Dr. Quintiere has supported this belief with his own experiments and published papers. His investigation is, in effect, an "independant (sic) investigation." His papers are worth reading and I refer you to them.

Dr. Quintiere, however, does not support any conspiracy theory. His results actually make them even harder to justify.
 
Disbelief said:
Obviously, if you do not know what Quintiere is talking about. Does he think it was CD?
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Dear lackofbelief

You cant be quoting Dr Quintiere as backing up your NIST inspired claims, when he doesn't.............no?

Re 'Does he think it was CD?'............... who the hell has mentioned CD?
 
Mr X said:
............... who the hell has mentioned CD?
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...this tactic of avoiding specific claims, so that you can say, "I never said that!"...where have I seen this before...?

Oh, yes. Every troofer that's ever come through here.

Got anything new?
 
Mr X said:
Dear lackofbelief

You cant be quoting Dr Quintiere as backing up your NIST inspired claims, when he doesn't.............no?

Re 'Does he think it was CD?'............... who the hell has mentioned CD?
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So why bring him up? Obviously, you do not understand what he was saying or you would not try and name drop.

Edit: Also, do not change my forum name.
 
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Mr X said:
Dude this isn't about me.... it's about YOUR diagram.
Let me ask you another question relating to it. Do you know of any reason why your floor is only connected to one wall. Granted you could say the plane took out one of them... but what about the other two?
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Nono, no backpeddling. You said that NIST performed a test and it contradicted my claims.

Mr X said:
Funny.. cos when NIST did a real live test of this scenario, nothing pulled in and failled. Does that bother you in any way?
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Now then, when we bring up the fact that NIST never tested a column failure scenario you change the subject to the diagram? What? It's very simple to say, "oh, I thought they tested that, I guess I was wrong" and move on. If it's not possible for you to ever admit an error, even a good faith one, then a conversation with you is pointless, don't you agree?
 
Mr X said:
Dude this isn't about me.... it's about YOUR diagram.
Let me ask you another question relating to it. Do you know of any reason why your floor is only connected to one wall. Granted you could say the plane took out one of them... but what about the other two?
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Because He's an engineer, and engineers have considerably more intellegence and training than troother ijits who have trouble with the concept of "conceptualize"
 
Mr X said:
Let me get this straight.... you are not aware of any tests that NIST did (carried out by UL on their behalf) that simulated a fire acting upon the floor assemblies used in the WTC buildings?
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Let me get this straight.... you are not aware of the limitations of the tests that NIST did in regards to ideal cosntruction assemblies vrs. what was left after the airplane impacts?
 
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