Why did God kill 230,000 Haitians?

[Orphia Nay]

It's because they can easily answer it. They know that if they came here and told you 2 + 2 = 4, you'd ask them to prove it. So...they just sit back and smile, knowing you will burn someday for such blasphemy.

Christians(and others) have had millenia to figure out why even good people died back in the day when men were more like monkeys. They pondered back then, I'm sure, why an ant could fall off a cliff unharmed, while they would get killed if hit on the head by a coconut.

Even John the Baptist was killed (beheaded). Disciples were found and killed. Jesus died. God sent the flood. The Passover. Babies die. Missionaries get killed. THE tsunami. Katrina. Bangladesh floods and hailstones. Ministers shot dead in church. And on and on.

It's obvious God has a good reason for all of this. Benny Hinn, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Jack Van Impe, Jan Crouch, Robert Schluler, Franklin Graham, et al...obviously know this easy answer that they all have had plenty of time to figure out the answer to.

And the answer is...?

 

[HghrSymmetry]

It's because they can easily answer it. They know that if they came here and told you 2 + 2 = 4, you'd ask them to prove it. So...they just sit back and smile, knowing you will burn someday for such blasphemy.

Christians(and others) have had millenia to figure out why even good people died back in the day when men were more like monkeys. They pondered back then, I'm sure, why an ant could fall off a cliff unharmed, while they would get killed if hit on the head by a coconut.

Even John the Baptist was killed (beheaded). Disciples were found and killed. Jesus died. God sent the flood. The Passover. Babies die. Missionaries get killed. THE tsunami. Katrina. Bangladesh floods and hailstones. Ministers shot dead in church. And on and on.

It's obvious God has a good reason for all of this. Benny Hinn, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Jack Van Impe, Jan Crouch, Robert Schluler, Franklin Graham, et al...obviously know this easy answer that they all have had plenty of time to figure out the answer to.

They all understand that undefined mythical nonsensical fictional characters have no effect on reality? Maybe they are smarter than we thought.

 

[Furcifer]

A guy on another forum posted a diatribe about how "God f'n Rocks" for recently giving him a good deal on his rent.
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83304

But when I said, "God's a swell guy. Sure, he just killed 230,000 people in Haiti, but he gave John a great deal on his rent", John rambled and obfuscated about why God killed the Haitians, and basically blamed them for not believing in Him enough.

Can anyone give a better reason than that?

It's not wise to question God's will.

 

[yomero]

Poor James seems to have some meterological confusion, but his message is clear.

What I don't find so clear is why does he end his hate-filled sermon with the words "So, until then, I hope you feel the love, and have a nice day."

Feel the love ?

 

[Iamme]

And the answer is...?

I am hoping that by naming all those famous religious people, that one of them might check on who's talking about them, and come here and answer it.

I will not lie -I have my doubts, as even many supposed Christians do. They are probably dishonest if they say they do not have doubts.

But at the same time, I have a hard time believing as many people who claim to be atheists are really atheists. Anyone who even wonders - I'd say is an agnostic- not an atheist.

Ever wonder who are the ones who are making all these miraculous gadgets that we have? Looking back on your school days - can you think of people that were much smarter than you, who are probably the ones capable of this? Maybe you even got good grades in school. Maybe you graduated with honors. And yet you cannot figure out who is brainy enough to make all the assembly lines and robots, apps, 3-d design formats to show up on computers, cell phones, different painting techniques like powder-coating, space suits..... an endless list that makes this all seem even MORE unfathomable as to who are all these people doing this?! Suppose YOU even graduated near the top of your class. I will not ask you to see if without researching, if YOU could design everything man has designed - like the Hoover Dam, suspension-bridges, circuit boards, digital cameras...here I go again. Okay, I will make it easy for you. I will ask you to design only ONE thing, out of the millions of products out there we(at least I) cannot figure out who makes them all. Okay, I will give you 100... or 1000 years... to have you make one thing, if I give you all the raw material ingredients to make the device, and any machinery needed to make the device. One thousand years. Here it is - something with not too many parts to it - the tube fluorescent light bulb. Think you alone could do it? I have to admit - I don't think I could.

Why did I bring all that up? Because if you think about it, it almost seems like a miracle, as to where all this stuff came from. Godlike. Similar to the mystery of how we can't figure out how everything got here(that religious people claim God did it). Yet, we know that man made all the things I mention (including the flourescent bulb) in the paragraph above. The answer in how this is possible, is based on somthing simple. It is based on numbers. The reason we cannot grasp who is behind all these modern wonders, is the fact we cannot grasp millions or even billions of people who have separate jobs and talents! Many people cumulatively, at once, or even over time, have put their brains together, and built something with input from other people.

Based on what I have said so far, it is possible that since there really is no mystery on how man's earthly created things got here, that perhaps a similar explanation can be ascribed to how the mysteries of the universe got here. Like I said in my lengthy previous posts - maybe nothing more than trillions of interactions a second, going on for 13.7 billion years, is responsible. No magic. No God.

But, before we write off GOD entirely, since we do not really know how or why the ingredients of the universe all got here (or if we are somehow glazing over the explanation of the assembly process required for all the intricate things to come together just right, and interact properly with other intricate things)- maybe, based on what the Bible says in Genesis, when God said Let us create.....that something similar did the creating. Not one giant extra-smart man-like being we think of God as - but perhaps, what we call God, is somthing more like numbers (or laws). Maybe in the same sense of how 2 binary numbers make computers work...lots of 0's and 1's.... Perhaps GOD is the underlying master law of the Universe, and a host of angels in the millions or billions, where each angel was given a job, just like how each worker is given a job to produce a product based on the sum of each of their effort and/or talents.

Maybe. Maybe not. I think Einstein, and many other very bright people went to their graves, not knowing the definitive answer.

But do you think I am through thinking on the subject? Do you think I have dispelled the possibility of God entirely? Not I, anyway.

 

[I Ratant]

As a creative person, who has spent his life surrounded by creative persons, I find creativity is not all that uncommon, among the super-intelligent, and the less-than-normal intelligent.
The mind is a marvelous thing, and different folks find different and effective and ineffective ways to improve life using theirs.
Denigrating this innate ability by attributing it to some supernatural influence is an instance of self-hate as far as I'm concerned.
The "can'ts" seem to hate and fear the "can-dos", and when the "can'ts" have the authority, will try to cripple the "can-dos", with laws and regulations intended to keep the status to the low quo that the "can't dos" can accept.
Religions are a construct of the "can'ts", who fear thinking, much less thinking outside the box, which is where progress comes from.

 

[Sledge]

Iamme, regarding your comment "The reason we cannot grasp who is behind all these modern wonders, is the fact we cannot grasp millions or even billions of people who have separate jobs and talents": speak for yourself. What's so difficult to grasp about that?

As for not believing all atheists are atheists: why? You seem to be relying on some sort of definition of atheist as someone who completely denies any and all gods exist. The term simply means someone is without a belief in gods, not that they rule our any possibility that one might exist.

 

[dafydd]

But at the same time, I have a hard time believing as many people who claim to be atheists are really atheists. Anyone who even wonders - I'd say is an agnostic- not an atheist.

I am an atheist.Believe it.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I am hoping that by naming all those famous religious people, that one of them might check on who's talking about them, and come here and answer it.

I will not lie -I have my doubts, as even many supposed Christians do. They are probably dishonest if they say they do not have doubts.

So that's another believer with another "Dunno". I see. Thanks for your honesty.

But at the same time, I have a hard time believing as many people who claim to be atheists are really atheists. Anyone who even wonders - I'd say is an agnostic- not an atheist.

[snip rest of derail]

Please don't derail the topic. Thanks in advance.