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"Why can't we hate men?"

Delvo said:
I wouldn't use the argument about punishing one person or group of people for oppression committed by others, because it starts by accepting the claim that they were oppressors in the first place. Both genders being stuck in prescribed gender-based social roles is not oppression of one by the other.
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+1.

It seems to me that almost everyone ignores the drawbacks of the male role in society both historically and presently. I think this is mostly due to the apex fallacy (used routinely by the author and feminists in general when talking about "men have all the power" ie patriarchy theory).
 
theprestige said:
Or just modern English.

qayak, if you call someone a bitch, it will be taken as a gendered and sexist insult. Highly recommended if your goal is to give maximum offense for minimum speech.
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Maybe where you live

Not here
 
qayak said:
bitch
biCH/Submit
noun
1.a female dog, wolf, fox, or otter.
2.informal
a difficult or unpleasant situation or thing.
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This definition doesn't seem to be comprehensive enough:

(I bet this one's is already attributed to the Mandela effect!)

It seems to support your claim that it doesn't always imply gender.
 
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Should add plenty of blokes are called the c word

Though I get in some places they aren't like the US apparently
 
Why can’t we hate men?
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Because hatred is irrational and counterproductive. Hatred digs trenches where bridges could be built.

Pledge to vote for feminist women only. Don’t run for office. Don’t be in charge of anything. Step away from the power. We got this.
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A radical feminist telling men to take charge of nothing... So she's quite fine with deadbeat fathers? I don't really think "she has this".

I recognize that women have been and are treated unfairly. But I refuse to take blame for all problems women face just on the basis of my gender.

The author quite clearly wants men to atone for the sins of past men. That is radical feminism in a nutshell. Men must suffer.
 
erlando said:
Because hatred is irrational and counterproductive. Hatred digs trenches where bridges could be built.



A radical feminist telling men to take charge of nothing... So she's quite fine with deadbeat fathers? I don't really think "she has this".
I recognize that women have been and are treated unfairly. But I refuse to take blame for all problems women face just on the basis of my gender.

The author quite clearly wants men to atone for the sins of past men. That is radical feminism in a nutshell. Men must suffer.
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I think she means 'don't be in charge of anything prestigious'.
I bet she's fine with men being in charge of domestic chores, manual labor, and crappy stuff nobody really wants to do...
Just nothing that would give them status, because other men have already used up the male share apparently.
 
Graham2001 said:
An interesting counter article from an evangelical Christian, I think his last point is the most telling





http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2018/06/is-it-okay-to-hate-men/
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I tend to fall more along the lines of this view. By the logic of the woman quoted in the OP, we must therefore hate all Germans because of the Nazis, hate all Christians because of the Crusades, hate all Muslims because of a few terrorists, hate all Latinos because of the largely Latino gangs, hate all white people because of both slavery and the Native American decimation, hate all blacks because of crime statistics... I mean the list goes on. Heck, I could add hate all women because of what Eve did, according to the Bible at least. We'd end up hating everyone, including ourselves, because not one of us is without fault for SOMETHING in our individual backgrounds.

I prefer to work WITH men to move toward gender equality, by finding the men who do not agree with the misogynistic views of the vanishingly small minority who unfortunately held power for a while and let it go to their heads a bit much. They do exist, lady in the OP; and I bet there's a lot more of them around you than you think. Sure, some behaviors need to be changed, starting with young boys being taught that girls have bodily autonomy the same as boys and therefore it's not okay to touch someone without their permission, but also teaching young boys that it's okay to be sensitive, it's okay to cry, it's okay to like pretty things, and all the toxic "be a man, don't cry, don't show emotions" BS is not the correct way to think. We're not going to get anywhere with the current older generation; they're too stuck in their ways to really get anywhere, IMO, with notable exceptions of course; so start with the newer generations, teach them right, and they'll grow up believing right down to their toenails that girls are just as good at things as boys and are therefore deserving of being treated equally. It'll be a tough road to slog, and we probably won't get there in my lifetime, but we're already starting down that road despite all the obstacles, so it'll happen.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
I think she means 'don't be in charge of anything prestigious'.
I bet she's fine with men being in charge of domestic chores, manual labor, and crappy stuff nobody really wants to do...
Just nothing that would give them status, because other men have already used up the male share apparently.
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Let's assume for a moment that we actually wanted to accomplish this goal of relegating men to lower status to boost women. How would we actually go about doing that? Will asking men to voluntarily take lower-status, lower-paying jobs than they are capable of actually work?

Obviously not. Why? Because men want to have sex with women, and women preferentially want to have sex with high-status men.

If you really want to achieve this "feminist" goal, then it isn't the men you need to convince, it's the women. You need to get the women to prefer sex with under-achieving men. If you can manage that, the men will fall into line quickly enough.

Good luck with that, though. The real saboteurs of the radical feminist agenda isn't the patriarchy, it's other women.
 
Senex said:
Yes, hate men. Try procreating without us. (That ship may have sailed :rolleyes: )
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There have been a number of feminists who seriously hoped to do exactly this, through egg merging (ie, use one egg's DNA to fertilize another). This had the added advantage (for them) of only producing female babies.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
I think she means 'don't be in charge of anything prestigious'.
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The problem with that of course is once feminist are put in charge of anything prestigious, the thing tends to lose its prestige. I blame the patriarchy for this.
 
arthwollipot said:
You'd have to be remarkably ignorant of modern feminism in order to claim such a thing.

Personally I'm trying to reduce my use of the word "dick". Largely, this takes the form of refraining from insulting people at all.
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And?

Seriously why should I take note?
 
I think the real question here is when is it appropriate to blame one person for the actions of a group?

Personally I say never, but in a scary way my opinion is in the minority.

This is why I say the control left is nothing more than left leaning individuals that are trying to find ways to wield the same power religion did 50 years ago.

Sins of the father passed to the son? Check.

Attempts to control peeps sex lives? Check

Demonizing out groups to increase in group cohesion? Check

Belief system built around feelings and belief?check

The problem wasn't who was wielding this much power it is than any one group had it.

It's like these people watched edited versions of movies growing up where instead of the bullies being taken down a peg and people change for the better, the second act was just the picked on kids bullying everyone else.
 
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