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"Why can't we hate men?"

Tsukasa Buddha said:
Her ending call to action is this:
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So men, if you really are #WithUs and would like us to not hate you for all the millennia of woe you have produced and benefited from, start with this: Lean out so we can actually just stand up without being beaten down. Pledge to vote for feminist women only. Don’t run for office. Don’t be in charge of anything. Step away from the power. We got this. And please know that your crocodile tears won’t be wiped away by us anymore. We have every right to hate you. You have done us wrong. #BecausePatriarchy.
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The time has come for men who truly believe in women's rights to step away from their roles in leadership, government, and public policy. Men who aren't #WithUs may feel free to stay on and do their thing #BecausePatriarchy.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
uke2se said:
What does the rest of the article say? It's behind a paywall.

In the lines presented, I think the author makes a case for hatred of men being rational to an extent. It's still bad, but you can see where someone who hates men for what they do to women is coming from.
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So it’s rational to hate all members of a group due to the actions of a few? (Sounds like a terrible idea - just think for a moment if it was a group other than white men being indicted).
 
Giz said:
So it’s rational to hate all members of a group due to the actions of a few? (Sounds like a terrible idea - just think for a moment if it was a group other than white men being indicted).
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If you believe that men as a group have the power in society and are working to keep it I'd say it could be rational to an extent. As much as the emotion is ever rational.
 
uke2se said:
If you believe that men as a group have the power in society and are working to keep it I'd say it could be rational to an extent. As much as the emotion is ever rational.
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That is... blinkered and focused at the 1%. Do garbagemen, sanitation workers, and all other blue collar workers (who vastly outnumber those “in charge” of society) deserve hate?
 
Giz said:
That is... blinkered and focused at the 1%. Do garbagemen, sanitation workers, and all other blue collar workers (who vastly outnumber those “in charge” of society) deserve hate?
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I don't think they do. Not for this anyway. But I'm not a woman, so I can't really answer for one.

I believe and certainly hope that the number of women who genuinely hate men is fairly small. I am well aware however, that there exist many problems that need to be solved before we acheive equality between the sexes, and that there are many men who would work against any such solutions.
 
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Tsukasa Buddha said:
all the millennia of woe you have produced
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There's a very common rhetorical trick here that should be recognized for its dishonesty. No human has ever lived for millennia. There is no "you" to whom she can actually address this accusation.

Deliberately confusing this point is a trademark of identity politics, and it is toxic.
 
pharphis said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b66687601fc3



I'm so glad that the patriarchy allows for such publications to exist in mainstream papers, written by an academic, no less!

This article would fit well on r/menkampf

Question to the feminists on this forum: Is the author above one of the "real feminists" I should be working along side if I want to address the issue of gender inequality?
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No you should not work alongside her. She’s part of the problem, not the solution
 
Carbon-based lifeforms are the worst, they are responsible for all the world's ills and should be removed from all positions of power. You can't deny it: every sin ever committed, every evil ever perpetrated, every horrible act ever executed were all by carbon-based lifeforms.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Carbon-based lifeforms are the worst, they are responsible for all the world's ills and should be removed from all positions of power. You can't deny it: every sin ever committed, every evil ever perpetrated, every horrible act ever executed were all by carbon-based lifeforms.
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#NotAllCarbonBasedLifeforms
 
Brainster said:
But all I really needed to read was the bio of the writer:
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When it comes to most high offices, I usually vote Democrat. However, for any education related offices (here in Michigan we vote for regents of state universities) I always vote Republican, on the theory that Republicans are less likely to fund departments such as hers.
 
Meadmaker said:
When it comes to most high offices, I usually vote Democrat. However, for any education related offices (here in Michigan we vote for regents of state universities) I always vote Republican, on the theory that Republicans are less likely to fund departments such as hers.
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Well at least you can be happy with what your fellow Michigander Devos has one with the DoE.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Its legal, at least in the USA, to hate whomever you want. Whether its OK or not is a question of morality.
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These is a distinction which is probably worth stating explicitly. Merchant banking is an activity which came into being in a certain historical period. There was a time - the bulk of humanity's time on earth in fact - before such persons as merchant bankers existed. Thus it is not irrational, though it may or may not be practical in a complex society, to envisage the disappearance of that profession. Slave owning has disappeared from the recognised professional scene, and is now everywhere regarded as an abuse and a crime.

It is not insane to consider merchant banking to belong to that sort of category, although that may not be a correct understanding, as I have noted.

But men, or women, are part of the human species. They are not a possibly optional extra that might be dispensed with, like chimney sweeps in a street of all-electric houses.

If adverse social conditions have produced the oppression of one gender by another, the solution must be to remove these conditions, and therewith the oppression. The alternatives are

- That the oppression should continue, but with changes to the identity of the perps and victims, or
- that one of the gender groups, which has participated in reproduction in our lineage literally for hundreds of millions of years, should be eliminated.

These options look unattractive or even unfeasible, from my viewpoint.
 
Craig B said:
...one of the gender groups, which has participated in reproduction in our lineage literally for hundreds of millions of years, should be eliminated.
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This solution seems feasible, so long as the sperm banks remain solvent.
 
Francesca R said:
It's still OK to hate all investment bankers though, right?
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a good friend of mine is an investment banker who has literally spent his whole career putting together deals to build, expand or equip children's hospitals.

so......
 
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