Why Can't They Figure it Out?

[Tokenconservative]

Care to provide evidence (links to news stories will more than suffice) or explain your earlier insinuations of racism?

No, I don't provide links...why would I catalog links to news stories from what, a year ago?

Do you do that?

Are you insane?

What insinuations of racisim? Did I call you a racist as you and others have openly bellowed at me in here? If so, you'll have to refresh my memory.

Tokie

 

[LostAngeles]

No, I don't provide links...why would I catalog links to news stories from what, a year ago?

Do you do that?

Are you insane?

Your google-fu is weak?

What insinuations of racisim? Did I call you a racist as you and others have openly bellowed at me in here? If so, you'll have to refresh my memory.

Tokie

Have a read. I mean you responded to my response to that and yet failed to address it.

Hmmm...I see we have problems with comprehension, as well!

Let me draw a purty pitchur: I am (pretty clearly to anyone with say, a 4th grade reading comprehension ability) identifying the way in which the politically correct pursposely misrepresent "and entire population." I realize that as a freshly-minted "teacher" you have been taught to seperate Americans by a host of issue: skin color, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. As a non-bigot, I don't do that. I seperate people as to nationality, though. And what is meant by "Hispanic" among your kind today, is "immigrant (from Latin America/Carib)." When one translates your "immigrant" what one comes up with is "ILLEGAL immigrant."

Now, many Americans identify themselves as "Hispanic." Many like several of my neighbors are, like me with my accidental Irish-German background, are simply Americans whose heritage happens to be Spanish/Latin. Like me, they speak English, not Spanish (in fact, my neighbor to the north who works in construction complains bitterly about the *racial epithet deleted so Tokie won't get banned* who look down their nose at him because "I have the brown skin but don't speak a word of Spanish because--I'm an American!"--yes, that's an example of one: please feel to run around screaming about it now. Oh...same issue with my neighbor to the south, whose family came here in the early 1500s from Spain. He also does not speak Spanish).

What the left and compromised conservatives actually MEAN today when they say "Hispanic" is "illegal alien." And that's exactly what YOU mean LA.

So now I'm confused...It's TOKIE who is the racist because he identifies people according to nationality, not LA, who identifies people according to the color of their skin.

Ah. I see.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

Your google-fu is weak?
Have a read. I mean you responded to my response to that and yet failed to address it.

Hmmm...you don't know the difference between a racist and a bigot, do you?

How about this: is "prejudice" bad?

Tokie

 

[bpesta22]

Perhaps the notion of grade inflation is just grumpy old people complaining about kids today (my gpa walked up hill both ways to school).

My undergraduate was a 3.3. What I see getting much higher than that today still gives me the strong perception that degrees today aren't what they used to be (I had an MBA student-- international but still, this a graduate business degree-- ask me what the IRS was. I had a human resource mangement major in an upper level class ask me what the initials HR meant). All anecdotes though and I see there's some data above suggesting it's not true.

I need to do some research on it, but I'm open to the possibility-- though still skeptical-- that grade inflation is just an complaint from every generation's old.

 

[LostAngeles]

Hmmm...you don't know the difference between a racist and a bigot, do you?

How about this: is "prejudice" bad?

Tokie

Racists and bigots are simply subsets of the set of ********.

Prejudice is bad depending on the inputs. If I make a pre-judgement based simply on skin color that isn't say, about tanning ability, that would be wrong. If I made a pre-judgement based on sex about menustration, that would be correct. If I make a pre-judgement based on dress and how a person carries themself as they enter a room to give a lecture, that is correct.

Overall, if a pre-judgement is not open to being revised upon further information, then it is bad.

 

[Tokenconservative]

Apparently, you really were pretty unclear. Glad that's cleared up, though.

History and English may not have a wealth of jobs available once you get the degree, but that does not make those fields useless or undesirable. I would rather not live in a society with no extensive study of history or language.

For instance, an english major might have made your point far more clearly and concisely, and saved you the effort of having to repeat it.

It so happens I hold a degree in English (lit.). It's useless in the American economy, today.

For practical purposes, yes, it proves just that. Your own admission to the virtual non-existence of jobs for those holding such degrees (you really don't kneed a Ph.D. in Philosophy to be waiter you know) means that graduates in those fields of study have and will continue to have for the foreseeable future very dim prospects of their education actually having much to do with their employment outside a few limited circles, primarily education.

Yes, if you want to be a high school history teacher, it's a good idea to get a history degree. If you have more vague goals--as do most graduates with non-technical/sci/engineering or, Liberal Arts, degrees--you will find the work world less...wecoming.

If someone has told you otherwise, you need to examine their reasond for doing so.

It's not a matter of what kind of society you would "rather" live in (and given that you are now attending college in Germany, if I remember, it's my guess $$ is not much of an issue for you, and probably won't be after graduation, and so this is probably like water off a duck's back...but most college grads don't have that apparent luxury) it's a matter of what sort of society you DO live in, and that society puts a premium on very specialized educations and those are, today, techincal and scientific, for the most part. Another good one is of course, business.

Glad we could clear that up, though I am beginning to guess that it was not so much a matter of my poor communications skills, but rather a reader who'd rather not read the truth.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Money is plenty a big deal. We just get free trips and housing thanks to my mom's government work.

The rest of your post seems to be railings and rantings. Not sure if I really care one way or another.

 

[Tokenconservative]

Money is plenty a big deal. We just get free trips and housing thanks to my mom's government work.

The rest of your post seems to be railings and rantings. Not sure if I really care one way or another.

Yeah...well, I do go on.

Good for you...I imagine attending university in Germany is free....

Anyway, yes...I know you think it's ranting and railing. That's what I predicted.

You are invested for some reason (likely low skills in other areas...I know the feeling) in believing in the value of a liberal arts DEGREE and so are telling yourself whatever you need to to convince yourself that after you get it, finding a job using it will be a snap.

Hopefully I am wrong and you are right.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Yeah...well, I do go on.

Good for you...I imagine attending university in Germany is free....

The University of Heidelberg is actually cheaper than Texas A&M.

Anyway, yes...I know you think it's ranting and railing. That's what I predicted.

You are invested for some reason (likely low skills in other areas...I know the feeling)

Actually, I've been said to have talent in music, writing, been said to have a decent memory, and even been said to have a scientific mind. Of course, nothing really catches my interest long enough enough for me to really stick to it, though I'm thinking the fields of computer science or astronomy might hold my interest.

in believing in the value of a liberal arts DEGREE

Yes. "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it".

Though I'm going to be pursuing a degree more into either computer science or astronomy, or a combination of the two.

and so are telling yourself whatever you need to to convince yourself

I don't have to convince myself.

As a professor said before going to a concentration camp in Schindler's List, "Not essential? I teach literature and history. How is that not essential?"

Literature, History, and Humanities tells us much about the human race, our history, and our mix of cultures. This is good information, no matter what people like you say.

that after you get it, finding a job using it will be a snap.

Well, since I
A) Never said that.

And

B) Aren't even pursuing a bachelor's in a "Liberal Arts" degree.

I think that you need to lay off spewing out the ********.

Hopefully I am wrong and you are right.

Considering that you have yet to make a single correct analysis of me or my statements, I don't think it's even possible for you to be right.

 

[Tokenconservative]

The University of Heidelberg is actually cheaper than Texas A&M.

Actually, I've been said to have talent in music, writing, been said to have a decent memory, and even been said to have a scientific mind. Of course, nothing really catches my interest long enough enough for me to really stick to it, though I'm thinking the fields of computer science or astronomy might hold my interest.

Yes. "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it".

Though I'm going to be pursuing a degree more into either computer science or astronomy, or a combination of the two.

I don't have to convince myself.

As a professor said before going to a concentration camp in Schindler's List, "Not essential? I teach literature and history. How is that not essential?"

Literature, History, and Humanities tells us much about the human race, our history, and our mix of cultures. This is good information, no matter what people like you say.

Well, since I
A) Never said that.

And

B) Aren't even pursuing a bachelor's in a "Liberal Arts" degree.

I think that you need to lay off spewing out the *******.

Considering that you have yet to make a single correct analysis of me or my statements, I don't think it's even possible for you to be right.

Cost: Well, that's good. And if you get free room/board because of something to do with the taxes I pay...well, I guess that's okay. This one time.

You will seek your own councel of course. Believe what you will, study what you will. If you don't believe me, however you might try this: dummy up a resume showing a degree in one of the humanities and start sending it out to large US employers. Make sure they know in your cover letter or some other intent statement that you don't believe specialized knowledge and skillsets are as important as more generalized studies in the humanities so as to avert "repeating the past," etc., etc. I'd like to see how you do. Maybe I'm wrong.

I wouldn't hire you. But who knows, maybe many other employers are out there looking for someone with just this lack of specified skills.

Yes, it's good to have broad-based knowlege. Turning that into a paying job, is a bit tougher. If your parents are already in gov service, like the diplomatic corps, that makes it easier, of course.

It's hard to make a "correct analysis" of you when I'm handed so much inaccuate data.

Again..not sure if that's simply your or my poor communication skills or...something else.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Cost: Well, that's good. And if you get free room/board because of something to do with the taxes I pay...well, I guess that's okay. This one time.

Yeap, taxes pay for our housing, and the housing of many military personnel, those that work for the military as civilians and those that work as soldiers. It's great!

You will seek your own councel of course. Believe what you will, study what you will. If you don't believe me, however you might try this: dummy up a resume showing a degree in one of the humanities and start sending it out to large US employers. Make sure they know in your cover letter or some other intent statement that you don't believe specialized knowledge and skillsets are as important as more generalized studies in the humanities so as to avert "repeating the past," etc., etc. I'd like to see how you do. Maybe I'm wrong.

You see, your assumption here is that I've been saying, "OMG! HUMANITIES WILL GIVE US ALL JOBS RIGHT OUT THE DOOR!"

See, that's because you have very poor reading comprehension, and have yet to be able to show even the most elementary ability to parse or understand my posts.

Yes, it's good to have broad-based knowlege. Turning that into a paying job, is a bit tougher. If your parents are already in gov service, like the diplomatic corps, that makes it easier, of course.

Actually, my mother is in accounting.

It's hard to make a "correct analysis" of you when I'm handed so much inaccuate data.

There is nothing inaccurate about the data, and you are always free to ask questions, which you lack.

Instead, you leap to conclusions. Which seems to be one of your major downfalls in ... well, pretty much everything I've seen of you.

Again..not sure if that's simply your or my poor communication skills or...something else.

Pretty sure it's you.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Can you please name me any courses offered by Liberal Arts that are useless?

Any course with the word postmodern in its title.

~~ Paul

 

[bpesta22]

I think TC is right just looking at return on investment / from a financial POV only.

There are other good reasons to get edumacated, but just considering how much your earnings will increase by getting the degree, a liberal arts degree is not worth it (can even be negative, in that you lose 4 years in a company somewhere getting pay raises and moving up the ranks while you are studying post modern lesbian jewish literature in braile!).

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[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Today, in the media, on the univ. campus, and anywhere else where the far-left holds sway, there is no such thing as an "illegal alien."

Is the Village Voice still a liberal paper?

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0513,york,62456,2.html

How about the Providence Journal?

http://www.projo.com/news/content/VELASQUEZ_DECISION_10-01-07_NK7AUGQ.22fe92c.html

I think they still use "illegal alien" in California.

http://www.hometownstation.com/illegal-alien-welfare-2007-09-28-11-41-4.html

On the other hand, there's Florida:

http://people.monstersandcritics.co...a_pol_wants_to_ban_illegal_alien_from_lexicon

~~ Paul

 

[Tokenconservative]

Yeap, taxes pay for our housing, and the housing of many military personnel, those that work for the military as civilians and those that work as soldiers. It's great!

You see, your assumption here is that I've been saying, "OMG! HUMANITIES WILL GIVE US ALL JOBS RIGHT OUT THE DOOR!"

See, that's because you have very poor reading comprehension, and have yet to be able to show even the most elementary ability to parse or understand my posts.

Actually, my mother is in accounting.

There is nothing inaccurate about the data, and you are always free to ask questions, which you lack.

Instead, you leap to conclusions. Which seems to be one of your major downfalls in ... well, pretty much everything I've seen of you.


Pretty sure it's you.

Love it!

"My parents work 'in government.'" Uh...huh...if they are military...why not put that in terms that most um...normal people would and say: My parents are in the military.

I remember being in a bar once and some guys hitting on some women near me were telling them they "work for the government" (this was some time ago). I listened in for a while, and these guys were trying hard to convince these women they were "secret agents" working for "the gubbmint." Since I am an a-hole, I eventually leaned over and told one of them "they work for the Post Office."

You stated that a "humanities" degree would open doors. I have found, in my experience, that if anything, outside a very limited number of venues, it actually CLOSES doors. As to whether a good, basic education including a number of humanities course is a good idea, of course it is!
But don't expect (as you did before I set you straight) to find many ads reading "humanities majors! Want to make $100, 200, $300k the week after you graduate! Call now!" Some waiters DO make that kind of money, but it takes decades.

It's not a matter of outrigt inaccuracy, but like so many liberals, you've already gained a very strong ability to skew the data you do supply in order to not-quite say what it is you are saying, forcing less...skillful communicators to pry it out of you as a dentist might a decayed tooth.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

I think TC is right just looking at return on investment / from a financial POV only.

There are other good reasons to get edumacated, but just considering how much your earnings will increase by getting the degree, a liberal arts degree is not worth it (can even be negative, in that you lose 4 years in a company somewhere getting pay raises and moving up the ranks while you are studying post modern lesbian jewish literature in braile!).

.

LOL!

So true. The good thing with a humanities edjamacashun is when you are having a smoke on your breaks out in back of the Applebee's, you can discuss post-modern lesbian Jewish literature, even in braille with all the other humanities majors working there.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Love it!

"My parents work 'in government.'" Uh...huh...if they are military...why not put that in terms that most um...normal people would and say: My parents are in the military.

I'm not normal.

My mom (my dad quit his job and divorced my mother) works as an accountant for the U.S. Army. It's a civilian position for the Armed Forces, making her a GS 12. She's also held the position of Auditor in Corpus Christi, Texas, but that job didn't pan out.

Right now, she's an accountant for the military base here in Germany.

When I talk about my mom, I usually say, "My mother works for the military as a civilian". But I in no way have a "canned" way of speaking about things.

I remember being in a bar once and some guys hitting on some women near me were telling them they "work for the government" (this was some time ago). I listened in for a while, and these guys were trying hard to convince these women they were "secret agents" working for "the gubbmint." Since I am an a-hole, I eventually leaned over and told one of them "they work for the Post Office."

Funny.

You stated that a "humanities" degree would open doors.

Quote me where I said that, please.

I have found, in my experience, that if anything, outside a very limited number of venues, it actually CLOSES doors. As to whether a good, basic education including a number of humanities course is a good idea, of course it is!
But don't expect (as you did before I set you straight) to find many ads reading "humanities majors! Want to make $100, 200, $300k the week after you graduate! Call now!" Some waiters DO make that kind of money, but it takes decades.

Quote me where I said that humanities gives you "high paying jobs", please.

It's not a matter of outrigt inaccuracy, but like so many liberals, you've already gained a very strong ability to skew the data you do supply in order to not-quite say what it is you are saying, forcing less...skillful communicators to pry it out of you as a dentist might a decayed tooth.

"Skew the data"? So you are now saying that I am being obtuse, and purposefully so?

Also, how do you know I am a "liberal"? For all you know I could be conservative. Do you assume that anyone that disagrees with you is a liberal? Are there any other choices besides "liberal" and "conservative"?

 

[Earthborn]

Ok, but first tell me who I can't cite because all here will discredit them w/o looking at what they read since everyone knows they are racist?

I'm more interested in where you get your ideas from, so if it is up to me, you can quote anyone you like. Including racists.

Secular declines in cognitive test scores: A reversal of the Flynn Effect(snip)

I fail to see how this proves that "the Flynn effect is in crisis". I don't think anyone has ever suggested that IQ must necessarily increase forever.

Dozens of twin, adoption, and family studies have confirmed the high heri-
tability of intellectual and behavioral traits, and even reaction time tasks, within
a race (snip)

Correlation does not equal causation, so a correlation of .25 (or whatever) does not mean 25% of IQ is caused by the environment, as you claimed.

 

[Tokenconservative]

I'm not normal.

My mom (my dad quit his job and divorced my mother) works as an accountant for the U.S. Army. It's a civilian position for the Armed Forces, making her a GS 12. She's also held the position of Auditor in Corpus Christi, Texas, but that job didn't pan out.

Right now, she's an accountant for the military base here in Germany.

When I talk about my mom, I usually say, "My mother works for the military as a civilian". But I in no way have a "canned" way of speaking about things.


Funny.


Quote me where I said that, please.



Quote me where I said that humanities gives you "high paying jobs", please.


"Skew the data"? So you are now saying that I am being obtuse, and purposefully so?

Also, how do you know I am a "liberal"? For all you know I could be conservative. Do you assume that anyone that disagrees with you is a liberal? Are there any other choices besides "liberal" and "conservative"?

LOL.

Love it. You have to work in "my dad's a jerk!!!!" If that does not make you a liberal, nothing does.

I calls 'em like I sees, dear. And when someone comes to me spouting as much liberal cant as do you, I calls 'em a lib. Just because you do not say "I'm a big whiny lib!" it does not mean you are not, nor does it mean I am either too stupid to figure it out, nor that I have to hold off identifying you as such until you do.

Can you name ONE liberal who calls him or herself that?

Anyway, here is how you do it: "My mom works for the US gov't." If she is not military, it simply does not matter who she does accounting for--while "military" is part of the gummint, it's an egregious misrepresentation to say that you are "in" the military when in fact, you are not. I occasionally do what I do FOR military personell...does that mean I work for the military? How about if I deliver food to military bases? This is exactly the same thing as those postal employees trying to pick up girls in a bar by leaving them with the impression that they were CIA or some such.

Just let me know when you need help with other things like this.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

LOL.

Love it. You have to work in "my dad's a jerk!!!!" If that does not make you a liberal, nothing does.

So being open to my personal viewpoints as to my father demonstrates my political views?

Can you please explain that one?

I calls 'em like I sees, dear. And when someone comes to me spouting as much liberal cant as do you, I calls 'em a lib. Just because you do not say "I'm a big whiny lib!" it does not mean you are not, nor does it mean I am either too stupid to figure it out, nor that I have to hold off identifying you as such until you do.

But you haven't even heard my political views.

Can you name ONE liberal who calls him or herself that?

I wasn't aware that "liberal" was an insulting derogatory term. And yes, I know plenty.

I just asked one of my friends. He said: "Social liberal, economically conservative."

Anyway, here is how you do it: "My mom works for the US gov't." If she is not military, it simply does not matter who she does accounting for--while "military" is part of the gummint, it's an egregious misrepresentation to say that you are "in" the military when in fact, you are not.

Except that she works under military commanders. Her work specifically goes towards army goals. Her accounting directly deals with Army accounts.

She once got an award directly from a U.S. Army general (non-civilian).

I'm not sure why she should meet your criteria to be able to say she works for the Army.

I occasionally do what I do FOR military personell...does that mean I work for the military?

Do you have a GS rank?

How about if I deliver food to military bases?

Do you have a GS rank?

This is exactly the same thing as those postal employees trying to pick up girls in a bar by leaving them with the impression that they were CIA or some such.

No, it's being honest. You seem to dislike that for some reason.

Just let me know when you need help with other things like this.

Thanks, but somehow I doubt yelling at people and insulting them because I disagree with them on a messageboard will help me pick up chicks.