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Why Call Me Stupid?

Iacchus said:
Do you believe that God exists? If you have confirmed that He doesn't exist and don't want to know, there's no need to ask ... which may be the problem here. ;)
So the reason we can't understand a single one of your posts is that we are godless atheists?

Seriously, get real. I know many christians, including some who went overseas to minister overseas. None of them feel the need to spout the solipsistic claptrap you do, and I'm sure many would be embarresed by it.

(Note:Not implying you are a christian, because I'm sure you'll immeadietly reply that you haven't mentioned a thing about it and how dare I)

Iacchus said:

What is real by the way, beyond what we sense that is real?
And the nonsense starts afresh.

In the words of Wolfgang Pauli 'That's not right, that's not even wrong.'
 
Iacchus said:
Do you believe that God exists? If you have confirmed that He doesn't exist and don't want to know, there's no need to ask ... which may be the problem here. ;) However, if you really would like to know, that's where all the questions come in. In which case I can only help to ask, but not answer them.

What is real by the way, beyond what we sense that is real?
Listen, you sophomoric dolt. You have been taking up too much bandwith on these forums with your lame assertions. Many of us have been trying to engage you in actual rational discourse about your claims. In every instance you dance as if someone is p**ing all over your new shoes. I am happy to oblige you there and will continue to p** all over your new shoes until you actually engage in some discourse here.

You have consistently deflected every intelligent question. You continue to claim this design nonsense. And I have, for umpteen posts attempted to get you to address the central flaw in your three-year-old reasoning: if complexity of design implies a designer, then that designer must also have a designer. I am really getting tired of stating and restating it. It is clear you haven't the acumen to even feign an answer. You couldn't rub two premises together to start a conclusion.
 
BillHoyt said:

Listen, you sophomoric dolt. You have been taking up too much bandwith on these forums with your lame assertions. Many of us have been trying to engage you in actual rational discourse about your claims. In every instance you dance as if someone is p**ing all over your new shoes. I am happy to oblige you there and will continue to p** all over your new shoes until you actually engage in some discourse here.
The thing is, once I turn the computer off, it was like I was never here.


You have consistently deflected every intelligent question. You continue to claim this design nonsense. And I have, for umpteen posts attempted to get you to address the central flaw in your three-year-old reasoning: if complexity of design implies a designer, then that designer must also have a designer. I am really getting tired of stating and restating it. It is clear you haven't the acumen to even feign an answer. You couldn't rub two premises together to start a conclusion.
Life is like a riddle is it not? Rather capricious too! And once it gives up its bounty, then basically you've destroyed it.
 
WildCat said:

I am here, you are there, got it?

And you are not here because I'll have you arrested if you come here.
No matter where you go you're there. No matter what time it is it's now. Before the beginning of time the moment was. Eternity always is. "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end." ~ Revelation 22:13
 
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Re: Re: Why Call Me Stupid?

The Cats Venm said:
Any more stupid questions?
Yeah, if you cross the international date-line on your birthday, do you still get presents?
 
I don't call you stupid. I call you willfully ignorant. After all the answers you have gotten here, you are stuck on the same questions. After all the resources you have been pointed to, you are stuck on Jung and Swedenborg. After all the polite and reasonable responses you got to meaningless, inane questions, you choose to insult your hosts with this dreck.

It is not that you are stupid. More like obsessed, and perhaps panicked. A good friend once told me that students who are having their belief systems seriously challenged will find themselves going further and further out on that limb, claiming absolutely ridiculous, unsupportable things, just so as not to accept that their world-view was, in fact, flawed. I can only hope that this is what is happening with you. You are so far out on your limb, and so unsupported, I seriously hope that you are just around the corner from seeing that your world-view is a sham.

It's OK. Really, it is. Letting go of ignorant notions is not failure, but success. It is learning. It is what I wish for you.
 
Mercutio said:

I don't call you stupid. I call you willfully ignorant. After all the answers you have gotten here, you are stuck on the same questions. After all the resources you have been pointed to, you are stuck on Jung and Swedenborg. After all the polite and reasonable responses you got to meaningless, inane questions, you choose to insult your hosts with this dreck.
Now it's your turn huh? I see, and this is what they call creative writing, right? :D And, as if you have nothing better to do?


It is not that you are stupid. More like obsessed, and perhaps panicked. A good friend once told me that students who are having their belief systems seriously challenged will find themselves going further and further out on that limb, claiming absolutely ridiculous, unsupportable things, just so as not to accept that their world-view was, in fact, flawed. I can only hope that this is what is happening with you. You are so far out on your limb, and so unsupported, I seriously hope that you are just around the corner from seeing that your world-view is a sham.
I call it being selective. And neither does it gives me bad dreams at night thinking about your beliefs. Which, is all they are, your beliefs.

By the way, that would be Cousin Pentheus who's out on limb here, right before it snaps and he falls to his doom, and has his head torn off by his very own mother. Why? Because he insisted on mocking that which he didn't understand.


It's OK. Really, it is. Letting go of ignorant notions is not failure, but success. It is learning. It is what I wish for you.
Absolutely! ;) Hey, it's okay to have a belief in something by the way, at least it gives you a place to start.
 
Iacchus said:
Now it's your turn huh? I see, and this is what they call creative writing, right? :D And, as if you have nothing better to do?
My turn? No, we do not have some queue here. I don't check in with the others. And I do not call this creative writing. Mine is not creative; it merely questions yours. And yours...is simply not creative.

Anything better to do? That depends. If you are actually on the cusp, and might actually examine your own beliefs and learn something...then there is not much better that I could do. If, on the other hand, you are disingenuous, and are merely trolling...well, then, what do you really care whether I have something better to do?

I call it being selective. And neither does it gives me bad dreams at night thinking about your beliefs. Which, is all they are, your beliefs.
You may call it what you wish. Around here, your particular vocabulary is already noted.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them - particularly verbs: they're the proudest - adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs - however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'

'Would you tell me, please,' said Alice, 'what that means?'

'Now you talk like a reasonable child,' said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. 'I meant by "impenetrability" that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life.'

'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'

'Oh!' said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.

Funny thing...some of my "beliefs" are actually testable. Those ones, if tested and found wanting, are ready to be improved upon. Some others are mere assumptions (Hammegk and I actually reached agreement once, to recognise our own assumptions and treat them as assumptions rather than as bedrock. I highly recommend examining your own beliefs, to see which among them are testable, and which are merely assumptions. You see, Iacchus...you have a boatload of assumptions that you treat as if bedrock!). So, yeah, some are my beliefs. Others are my beliefs, backed up by empirical examination. You should try it sometime. It does not guarantee you are right, but it does a great job of eliminating unsupportable beliefs. (Oh...in case you missed it...some of your writings are unsupportable. It should make you blush, but it does not appear to...)

By the way, that would be Cousin Pentheus who's out on limb here, right before it snaps and he falls to his doom, and has his head torn off by his very own mother. Why? Because he insisted on mocking that which he didn't understand.

Sorry, bubba, not gonna click. Lemme guess, though...I gotta go with some centuries-old myth, without one iota of evidence, maybe even Jung or Swedenborg, trotted out as an argument from authority or history or some such tripe. Close?

Absolutely! ;) Hey, it's okay to have a belief in something by the way, at least it give you a place to begin your search.
If one actually does search. You, Iacchus, do not. You ask questions which you have no intention of really examining. You deflect, you dodge and weave, you distract with non-sequitors...You do everything but actually search.

Months ago, you were advised to read what others have said about your same questions...so, what has been your reading list for the past months? Does it include any experimental methodology? Perhaps some experimental psychology (and no, Jung does not count as a psychologist)? Some religious criticism? Evolutionary biology? Physics? Philosophy? Or are you content to write your own "book", and ignore the contributions of others who have dedicated their lives to the study of your questions...
 
Now, we get to see whether Mercutio's well-thought and well-written words have any more effect than my poorly-thought and poorly-written ones.

I'm betting no.
 
scribble said:

Now, we get to see whether Mercutio's well-thought and well-written words have any more effect than my poorly-thought and poorly-written ones.

I'm betting no.
It's only correct to the extent that they apply which, for those who don't understand that they're merely creatures of belief, may never understand. ;)
 
scribble said:
Now, we get to see whether Mercutio's well-thought and well-written words have any more effect than my poorly-thought and poorly-written ones.

I'm betting no.
I will not take that bet. I have been here before. Were it not for my foul mood, I would not be here now. Frost said it..."something there is that doesn't love a wall"...we keep trying to set the stones right, but we are up against a force of nature. In this case....willful ignorance.
 
Iacchus said:
It's only correct to the extent that they apply which, for those who don't understand that they're merely creatures of belief, may never understand. ;)

On the contrary, Mercutio seems perfectly willing to admit he has beliefs that are just assumptions.

I am, too - I've said it here more times than I can count.

Selective hearing only takes you further from reality, Iacchus.
 
Mercutio said:
Frost said it..."something there is that doesn't love a wall"...we keep trying to set the stones right, but we are up against a force of nature. In this case....willful ignorance.

No offense, Mercutio, but I hope in person you are fat and ugly.

Otherwise, I can't compete with you in any arena.
 

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