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Why are Truthers so committed to the 'controlled demolition' theory

My CD truther suggestion for their mind set is that it is the most sciencey theory.

A plain conspiracy theory is only ever going to be "he said/she said" stuff and no sciencey looking evidence. But the moment you get crackpot people making sciencey statements and spouting crackpot numbers the sciencyness gives their audience the same feeling of validation as when real scientists and engineers explain stuff to other scientists and engineers.
 
Crazier...I don't know. Do you mean they would have a higher rate of diagnosable mental illness? Maybe not. Even Phil Jayhan seems to have a lot of friends who are not Truthers.

Most of the random-kind-of-Truther-types you meet roaming around on the Net or the street are CD truthers and that might be what you're talking about. Why is this type a CDer? I doubt even they know. You're talking about some pretty strange people here. Some of them could be mentally ill. A bigger portion would seem to be people with below average IQ scores.

You bring up Phil Jayhan. I am currently reading some of his soggy horse **** he calls research. Ie: All the death of the 347 firefighters were eveny spead out over all the firehouses. Not to mention he think there were 347 firefighters killed.

What's your experience with him?

You can PM me if you want.
 
Since they have no paper trail and no whistleblowing participant conspirators to prove MIHOP or LIHOP, the only possible thing they have going is to try to convince people there was CD and thus, by default, an inside job.
 
I have always felt it adds to their necessity for a god. Religious truthers take it in because it further reinforces the need to believe there is someone in control; which the CD theory fully provides beyond a boring narrative involving the hijackers being patsies. On the other hand the CD theory provide non religious truthers with the order they may desire in a disordered world of randomness. In my experience most truthers believe in things like the HAARP array. They have simply taken god out of the equation and bestowed superhuman attributes on some human agency (the govt, NWO, Illuminati, etc).
 
I have a standing question for Truthers in this thread regarding the CD theory.

The question is:

What medium, item, or process can cut structural steel, in multiple places, with precision, that not only is very quiet, but also does not produce a blinding flash of light, is fire-proof, and can be applied and detonated without being detected either before, during, or after it's use?

So far, not a single one of them has been able to come close to answering it...and they won't answer it. If any part of the question goes unanswered, the CD theory goes away.

I blame the whole CD-truther push on Richard Gage. He seems to be the only vocal truther out there with "credentials", and the theory is his bread and butter. However, his followers don't seem to notice that the guy hasn't produced anything of substance other than "it doesn't look right". And he hasn't added or produced...well, anything...since 2006.

I mean, if you break the history of the CD theory down, it's nothing more than a construction project of moving goalposts entire stadiums.

They claim "explosions".
They claim "squibs".
They claim "bombs".
They claim "freefall".
They claim "thermite".
They claim "nano-thermite".
Some claim "laserz".
Some claim "mini-nukes".

It's all a bunch of hooey. But they get themselves so emotionally invested into "inside job!", that science, physics, and common sense get thrown away. Is it stupidity? Is it ignorance? Is it pride or stubborness? Is it a way to attract a following on utube? Is it to make money? A combination of all?

Anyway, to answer the OP, they are committed to the theory because it's all they have. It's basically the last sigh of a dying movement with nothing else to grasp. Unfortunately, no amount of debunking is going to make them stray from the "movement".
 
I think a big part of it is because for a lot of them, the reaction of "That didn't look right!" when they saw the Towers collapse is what brought them into the CT beliefs in the first place. .

So their belief in a demolition is actually the starting point for their conspiracy theory? That would at least explain why they are so committed to it.

Also, the 'science-like' statements made about the collapse are also appealing to some.
 
I think there's also an aspect of wanting reality to be a certain way so much that they think they can actually change it. It's one of the truther axioms that al-Qaeda couldn't possibly have installed hundreds of tons of explosives in WTC1, 2 and 7 and the Pentagon, therefore al-Qaeda can't have been responsible for any hypothetical event that included this component. Since they don't want al-Qaeda to have been responsible - this would argue against their worldview in which all acts of evil must be committed by the United States (or, in certain more pathological cases, Israel) - they are therefore trying to retrospectively change reality by re-interpreting the evidence, in order to bring about the past they want to have rather than the one they actually have. There's more than a hint of solipsism to the whole movement, in my opinion.

Dave
 
life would be much easier for the Truthers if they just suggested that the planes had been taken over by remote control, and the pilots had no way to stop them form hitting the buildings.

or they could suggest that the Mossad were the real hijackers, and crashed them into the buildings.

but ofcourse, they had to go with the most rediculous explenation possible...being CD and DEW. :)
 
life would be much easier for the Truthers if they just suggested that the planes had been taken over by remote control, and the pilots had no way to stop them form hitting the buildings.

or they could suggest that the Mossad were the real hijackers, and crashed them into the buildings.

Well, not really. Both points of view have been proposed on this forum, and shot down quite comprehensively.

The remote control theory can be quite popular with truthers who know nothing about airliner design (although I'm not sure that excludes any). Jim Hoffman's Scenario 404, for example, proposes that a remote control program was installed in the control systems of the 9/11 airliners under the cover of a spin recovery program upgrade to the autopilot. It's a superficially compelling idea for anyone who's completely ignorant of how the autopilot system on a 757 or 767 actually works; the naive assumption is that everything is controlled by a digital computer, and all that's needed to take it over is some kind of trojan. Unfortunately for the credibility of this theory, the autopilots of 757s and 767s, on 9/11 at least, were analogue systems that could be simply disabled by the pilots, and a major rebuild would be required to install any automatic control system that couldn't be locally overridden. Even more damningly, Airbus 300 series and Boeing 777s, whose fly-by-wire systems might conceivably have played host to such a system, were in widespread use on 9/11, presenting the obvious absurdity that the conspirators are supposed to have chosen the airliners least suitable for their purpose.

The Mossad line is more popular with the neo-Nazi wing (in the sense of the word meaning one of the main reasons it's still flying) of the truth movement. The idea is that Mossad commandos storm the cockpit, kill or incapacitate the crew, and install some unknown remote control device; although this could be neutralised quite trivially, there is now nobody to neutralise it. The problem with this, apart from the fact that Israel would have very little to gain and inconceivably large amounts to lose from a false flag attack on its most reliable ally, is that Mossad would be very unlikely to carry out a suicide attack - in the absence of religious fervour, how would the pilots be motivated? - and so would have to exit the airliner after having taken control and rigged up their remote control system. One member suggested that they could have exited through the nosewheel bay (which is not, of course, accessible from the pressurised interior) at cruising speed (which would probably have torn them in half when they hit the slipstream) and parachuted down into upstate New York without being noticed or remarked upon, because apparently this sort of thing happens all the time. It was a good piece of comedy, albeit unintentional.

The nearest any truther has come to a plausible suggestion is the small minority who suggest that Osama bin Laden was a tool of the CIA, and was therefore instructed to carry out the attacks. That's deeply unpopular with truthers, though, probably for two reasons: firstly, everything after the initial idea is exactly as history records it, so it's almost impossible to prove; secondly, it's simply not sexy enough. So they'd rather recreate reality in a more easily proven form.

Dave
 
Crazier...I don't know. Do you mean they would have a higher rate of diagnosable mental illness? Maybe not. Even Phil Jayhan seems to have a lot of friends who are not Truthers.

Most of the random-kind-of-Truther-types you meet roaming around on the Net or the street are CD truthers and that might be what you're talking about. Why is this type a CDer? I doubt even they know. You're talking about some pretty strange people here. Some of them could be mentally ill. A bigger portion would seem to be people with below average IQ scores.

The active ones are mentally ill.....we've seen this repeatedly on JREF.....the merely ignorant or stupid would be shown the errors in their theory (like we did with Mobertermy) and would likely change their mind. However the majority simply wave away even the clearest of evidence and simply plough on regardless. They are beyond doubt bat poop crazy.
 
The active ones are mentally ill.....we've seen this repeatedly on JREF.....the merely ignorant or stupid would be shown the errors in their theory (like we did with Mobertermy) and would likely change their mind. However the majority simply wave away even the clearest of evidence and simply plough on regardless. They are beyond doubt bat poop crazy.

its not a mental illness.
 
I came across this 2006 article by John Gravois titled 'The Professors of Paranoia? Academics Give a Scholarly Stamp to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories'. He makes some very good observations (and of course the alleged CD's are front and centre) on the mental process IMO:

'One of the most common intuitive problems people have with conspiracy theories is that they require positing such complicated webs of secret actions. If the twin towers fell in a carefully orchestrated demolition shortly after being hit by planes, who set the charges? Who did the planning? And how could hundreds, if not thousands of people complicit in the murder of their own countrymen keep quiet? Usually, Occam's razor intervenes.

Another common problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to impute cartoonish motives to "them" — the elites who operate in the shadows. The end result often feels like a heavily plotted movie whose characters do not ring true

Then there are other cognitive Do Not Enter signs:When history ceases to resemble a train of conflicts and ambiguities and becomes instead a series of disinformation campaigns, you sense that a basic self-correcting mechanism of thought has been disabled. A bridge is out, and paranoia yawns below.'
 
So their belief in a demolition is actually the starting point for their conspiracy theory? That would at least explain why they are so committed to it.

Also, the 'science-like' statements made about the collapse are also appealing to some.



Pretty much, yes. They think, "No way could it happen like that!", and having rejected the cause that is staring them straight in the face, begin to look for hidden causes. And yet, no matter how implausible or even impossible those hidden causes might turn out to be, they simple never revisit their initial reaction and subsequent rejection of the obvious cause. To do so would be to admit that their initial rejection was incorrect, and they hate to do that.

One common theme I've seen in the hard-core truthers we still see these days is an almost pathological inability to admit that they've made a mistake, even when dealing with the slightest of errors. Getting them to admit the absolutely huge error that lead them into truthism in the first place is nigh on impossible.
 
So their belief in a demolition is actually the starting point for their conspiracy theory? That would at least explain why they are so committed to it.

Yup, I'd sign that.

Also, the 'science-like' statements made about the collapse are also appealing to some.

This may be a reason for some to stay, but science in itsef is not appealing to many, and I suspect there is also a hefty proportion among truthers who regard science as possibly a tool of manipulation in "Their" hands
 
I think it is a big clue to the kind fo mentality we are dealing with with Truthers that the LIHOP advocates are so totally outnumbered by the MIHOP advocates. Though, of course, there is no evidence whatosever for LIHOP and it's a bunch of BS, it is still a lot less crazy BS then the MIHOP theories. There is something about the TRuthers that most of them always pick the more extreme of two alternatives.
 
I am curious. What do you guys think about the testimony of Danny Jowenko on the destruction/collapse of WTC7?

Danny Jowenko is a demolition expert, and when shown for the first time the destruction/collapse of WTC7, his immediate reaction is to attribute it to a "team of experts."

The first part of his thee part interview can be watched here.

Just asking.
 
I am curious. What do you guys think about the testimony of Danny Jowenko on the destruction/collapse of WTC7?

Danny Jowenko is a demolition expert, and when shown for the first time the destruction/collapse of WTC7, his immediate reaction is to attribute it to a "team of experts."

The first part of his thee part interview can be watched here.

Just asking.
What do you think about what he says about WTC 1 & 2?

Is he right 1/3 of the time?
 
I am curious. What do you guys think about the testimony of Danny Jowenko on the destruction/collapse of WTC7?


Balances with his assessment of the Twin Towers' collapses. Zero sum. :p

Danny Jowenko is a demolition expert, and when shown for the first time the destruction/collapse of WTC7, his immediate reaction is to attribute it to a "team of experts."


No one asked if he—even with a team—would be capable of rigging a burning building in the span of a few hours. From what I recall, when the fact that the building was on fire was pointed out to him, he said, "Hmm," and paused in apparent doubt about his assessment.
 

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