Why are the NRA so powerful and influential?

[Noztradamus]

It's hard to admit your beliefs might be just a tad manipulated. Not saying you are completely manipulated, in your case it's probably only minimal manipulation. But you don't represent the manipulation of legislators.

Think about it. The majority of NRA members favor some form of gun regulation. If that was the main influence on legislators, why not go with the polls? Because campaign money lobbyists represent has more influence.

Gun Grabber logic:

The majority of NRA members favor some form of gun regulation.

This Bill is some form of gun regulation.

ergo NRA Members will favour this Bill

 

[logger]

Sorry Casebro, but you are the one who is wrong.

It's not the NRA member votes. It's the money spent on lobbying and the money spent to influence said members' votes.

You couldn’t be more wrong, well actually you could, Ive seen it. But Casebro is spot on.

 

[crescent]

Gun Grabber logic:

Gun Grabber - I love that term. Using it is like sending up a flag saying "I have NO IDEA what gun control proponents actually want, so I'll just label them with a meaningless catchphrase"

Hint: very few gun control proponents favor confiscation. "Gun grabber" is just a stupid phrase used to intentionally promote a false idea.

 

[BStrong]

It's one of the largest single-issue voter blocks.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16430684/nra-congress-money-no

Liberals say Congress can’t pass gun control because it's bought by the NRA. They’re wrong.

"The National Rifle Association donates millions of dollars every year to Republican lawmakers in Congress. And those same Republicans line up uniformly to block proposed gun control legislation.

The implication of these two facts appears obvious: Politicians are refusing to stem the bloodshed of gun violence because they’re getting what amounts to a legal bribe from lobbyists."...

But when you talk to experts who study the way money influences our political system, they say this account is wrong — or, at least, often badly oversimplified. The NRA may exert a massive and real influence on Washington, DC, but its campaign contributions can’t possibly be the corrupting agent singlehandedly thwarting meaningful action on gun control, as many of the analyses above suggest.

And, they say, we can come pretty close to proving it....

Now, Drutman acknowledges there’s a meaningful argument that Republicans and their voters have come to be pro-gun in part because of the influence of the NRA’s money. But the donations themselves are clearly not the reason Republican lawmakers fear opposing the NRA — the much bigger threat the gun rights group poses is its ability to mobilize and excite huge numbers of voters, Drutman says.

"The way you rise up in Republican politics is by supporting gun rights issues, and you do that because there a lot of Republican voters in the coalition who care very deeply about gun rights," Drutman says.

 

[BStrong]

Yet it was open carry by blacks that got them all behind bans on open carry in the 70's and when a law abiding gun owner who was black was gunned down by a panicking cop or any other time a cop shoots a black man for simply holding a gun like object where it is legal they never seem to think that this is an inappropriate action for the cop.

I'm sure you extensive data to prove your assertion.

 

[Varanid]

*Is

Sorry, I'll show myself out.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

Democrats blame the NRA when their real problem is the 2nd Amendment.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The power of the NRA doesn't stem from money - it is a conduit for that, not the source.
What it does have is the ability to mobilize members to pester representatives on gun-issues. It also grades delegates on whether they ever voted against anything the NRA wants - in this sense, it works like Bannon's Breitbart.

 

[Ranb]

I'm sure you extensive data to prove your assertion.

I think he's referring to the police officer that gunned down Philando Castile. The NRA waited a year to say;

“There are a lot of variables in this particular case, and there were a lot of things that I wish would have been done differently. Do I believe that Philando Castile deserved to lose his life over a [traffic] stop? I absolutely do not.

“I also think that this is why we have things like NRA Carry Guard [training program], not only to reach out to the citizens over what to do during stops like this, but also to work with law enforcement so that they understand what citizens are experiencing when they go through stops like this,”

The NRA was only about an inch away from saying it was Castile's fault for having the nerve to breathe on the streets while black.

I've written to the NRA and talked to them on the phone about Castile; they promised me an answer. Of course they lied to me.

Ever heard of https://blackgunownersassociation.org/ ? They exist because the NRA sucks when it comes to admitting that black gun owners matter.

 

[ponderingturtle]

It's one of the largest single-issue voter blocks.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16430684/nra-congress-money-no

Liberals say Congress can’t pass gun control because it's bought by the NRA. They’re wrong.

"The National Rifle Association donates millions of dollars every year to Republican lawmakers in Congress. And those same Republicans line up uniformly to block proposed gun control legislation.

The implication of these two facts appears obvious: Politicians are refusing to stem the bloodshed of gun violence because they’re getting what amounts to a legal bribe from lobbyists."...

But when you talk to experts who study the way money influences our political system, they say this account is wrong — or, at least, often badly oversimplified. The NRA may exert a massive and real influence on Washington, DC, but its campaign contributions can’t possibly be the corrupting agent singlehandedly thwarting meaningful action on gun control, as many of the analyses above suggest.

And, they say, we can come pretty close to proving it....

Now, Drutman acknowledges there’s a meaningful argument that Republicans and their voters have come to be pro-gun in part because of the influence of the NRA’s money. But the donations themselves are clearly not the reason Republican lawmakers fear opposing the NRA — the much bigger threat the gun rights group poses is its ability to mobilize and excite huge numbers of voters, Drutman says.

"The way you rise up in Republican politics is by supporting gun rights issues, and you do that because there a lot of Republican voters in the coalition who care very deeply about gun rights," Drutman says.

Exactly as single issue voters they like laws like in virginia where anyone can carry concealed with out all that BS training and crap. That is the goal. And we can stop pretending that any BS poll about theoretically supporting training and crap like that is actually important to any of them.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I'm sure you extensive data to prove your assertion.

They don't object to black people being shot in open carry states for holding a gun like object is enough to totally justify shooting them in seconds after seeing them. Clearly all gun owners must be ready to drop their gun with in 2 seconds of anyone shouting at them to drop it or they deserve death, but for some reason that only seems to apply to black people.

And a cop panicking at knowing that a black man was legally armed is totally justified and not deserving of any more condemnation than some black man thinking that the second amendment applied to them. That was a really dumb black guy.

So when they defend the cops who kill white people for open carry of firearms in a legal fashion we. As we learned from the past in this case everyone who had anything like a gun should have been shot by the police in seconds after seeing them.

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/shoppers-pulled-weapons-walmart-shooting/ that is what the shooting of John Crawford taught us after all. When a shooting is reported the police are right to shoot anyone with out giving them time to understand and respond that the people yelling at them are the police.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I think he's referring to the police officer that gunned down Philando Castile. The NRA waited a year to say;

The NRA was only about an inch away from saying it was Castile's fault for having the nerve to breathe on the streets while black.

I've written to the NRA and talked to them on the phone about Castile; they promised me an answer. Of course they lied to me.

Ever heard of https://blackgunownersassociation.org/ ? They exist because the NRA sucks when it comes to admitting that black gun owners matter.

In major part yes about Philando Castile but seeing someone in a gun in a store that sells guns is also perfect reason to shoot first and ask questions latter as we saw with John Crawford at least if the victim is black. They never bothered to even comment on that one.

Then there was when the NRA was against open carry when it was the black panthers doing it.