Why are Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us?

T'ai Chi said:
I'm stating basically the title of the article, that the ID proponents, the authors of the article, feel, based on evidence, that Darwinists are afraid to debate them.

What of this is so confusing for you?
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I beg to differ. The leaders of the ID movement, and in particular the folks at the DI, know full well no one is afraid of them in the scientific community. The DI is consciously and willfully re-framing the debate because it convinces their followers, the believers, that the scientific community is arbitrarily excluding Christians' 'evidence' and the scientific community consists of a bunch of prejudiced atheists (maybe even working for Satan).

The DI wants the believers and potential believers to believe there is scientific evidence supporting ID and the scientific community is covering it up.

Evidence, The Wedge Strategy

The DI is on to us being on to them. Here's their response. The "Wedge Document": So What?

I'm telling you the DI isn't a Christian think tank, it's a 'Marketing Christ' think tank.
 
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hilliag said:
I'd say that the article, "Are the Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us?" (note that you got the headline wrong and erred in the gist of the story) would merit a one-word answer: No. ...
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Actually, T'ai Chi got the intended message in the title. You fell for the carefully worded so as not to appear to be making an unsupported claim while making an unsupported claim message in the title.

How do you figure T'ai Chi's title missed the gist of the story or are you just saying the gist wasn't interesting after all?
 
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"That would look great on your CV; not so good on mine" p281

At this point, since the burden of proof is all their's, the ID'ers will have to publish a wee bit of their evidence for 'special creation' first before they get to the debate stage (both meanings, here). When they do, we'll be waiting.
 
Professional scientists have better things to do than to debate any ludicrous ideas that pop up. Like science, for instance.

ID isn't considered an idea worthy of debate. It's near the level of crystal healing and UFO abduction theories.
 
T'ai Chi said:
I'm stating basically the title of the article...
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The title of the article is "Are the Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us". The words "Why are Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us" are your own, and are not asking the same question as the article title. If you had been referring to a group of which you were not a member, you would have written "why are Darwinists afraid to debate them"

So, who is this "us" to which you refer?
 
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T'ai Chi said:
I'm stating basically the title of the article, that the ID proponents, the authors of the article, feel, based on evidence, that Darwinists are afraid to debate them.

What of this is so confusing for you?
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The debate occurs everyday. So what is thier beef, that they get a lot of people who are not doing researcg to say they don't support the theory of evolution.

The last i checked Tai, earlier this year, the only articles they linked to were over ten years out of data.

Most of thier 'scientists' are not biologists and it is the equivalent of a Literature PhD saying " I don't like QM".
 
Mojo said:
The title of the article is "Are the Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us". The words "Why are Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us" are your own, and are not asking the same question as the article title. If you had been referring to a group of which you were not a member, you would have written "why are Darwinists afraid to debate them"

So, who is this "us" to which you refer?
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I'd say there is some backspin on the cue ball.
 
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T'ai Chi said:
I'm stating basically the title of the article, that the ID proponents, the authors of the article, feel, based on evidence, that Darwinists are afraid to debate them.
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They feel wrong. Darwinists, in general, simply have better things to do.

Hans
 
Proponents of evolutionary theory (I don't like the term Darwinists and Wikipedia explains why better than I can :modern creationists use the term Darwinism, often pejoratively. Casting evolution as a doctrine or belief bolsters religiously motivated political arguments to mandate equal time for the teaching of creationism in public schools) already debated the ID folks in Dover where it actually mattered.

ID lost.
 
Ashles said:
Yes, that's kind of the point. They shouldn't be either. Duh.
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The second statement is untrue also there are holocaust deniers on the staff on major universities. See Arthur Butz of northwestern university electrical engineering department.
 
bignickel said:
"That would look great on your CV; not so good on mine" p281

At this point, since the burden of proof is all their's, the ID'ers will have to publish a wee bit of their evidence for 'special creation' first before they get to the debate stage (both meanings, here). When they do, we'll be waiting.
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That isn't really what they want though. What they really want is the opportunity to make sound-bite statements like "Darwinists won't debate us".
 
Mojo said:
The title of the article is "Are the Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us". The words "Why are Darwinists Afraid to Debate Us" are your own, and are not asking the same question as the article title. If you had been referring to a group of which you were not a member, you would have written "why are Darwinists afraid to debate them"

So, who is this "us" to which you refer?
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This is by far not the first time T'ai Chi is caught faking a quote.

Every time to support some form of superstition.
 
CFLarsen said:
This is by far not the first time T'ai Chi is caught faking a quote.
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He wasn't faking a quote: he was asking a question of his own, relating to a group of which he is a member. Hence his use of the word "us" in his thread title.

He claims that "Darwinists" are afraid to debate a group of which he is a member. The article he linked to suggests that the group in question is creationists/IDers, but I suppose it's always possible that he's referring to his as yet undefined "Organized skeptical movement".
 
Mojo said:
He wasn't faking a quote: he was asking a question of his own, relating to a group of which he is a member. Hence his use of the word "us" in his thread title.

He claims that "Darwinists" are afraid to debate a group of which he is a member. The article he linked to suggests that the group in question is creationists/IDers, but I suppose it's always possible that he's referring to his as yet undefined "Organized skeptical movement".
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I stand corrected.
 
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