Why any 9/11 explosives evidence would have been “scooped and dumped”

[TruthByDecree]

Port Authority Found Negligent in 1993 Bombing
Published: October 27, 2005

A Manhattan jury said yesterday that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey was negligent in safeguarding the World Trade Center before the first terror attack on the twin towers, the 1993 bombing that killed six people and injured 1,000.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs said they were seeking a total of as much as$1.8 billion. Those cases will be decided through separate legal proceedings, which could end in trials or settlements. The authority also faces lawsuits relating to the 9/11 attacks.

In order to reach a verdict, at least five of the six jurors had to agree. The jury voted unanimously that the Port Authority was negligent. It found the authority 68 percent at fault for the bombing, while the terrorists who carried it out were 32 percent at fault.

Update…

Appeals court holds Port Authority liable in 1993 WTC bombing
April 29th 2008

A state appeals court on Tuesday upheld a jury's verdict that the Port Authority was chiefly to blame for the 1993 terrorist bombing at the twin towers.

In a blistering decision, a five-judge panel unanimously agreed with a Manhattan judge who last year refused to throw out the jury's 2005 verdict. The jury found the PA ignored years of warnings that the towers were a "prime" terrorist target.

With the concern for the NYC economy post 9/11 and the well known stance of Republicans like Giuliani and what they feel are frivolous litigations, does anyone have any questions at all as to why no one wanted to look for or find any kind of explosives or accelerants that may have gotten pass security and near the WTC complex on 9/11 contributing to the deaths of thousands of people?

 

[Shrinker]

Er, the NWO are covering up their deliberate demolition of the WTC because they are afraid the port authority might have been sued again? Dumbest theory of the week?

 

[Alt+F4]

With the concern for the NYC economy post 9/11 and the well known stance of Republicans like Giuliani and what they feel are frivolous litigations, does anyone have any questions at all as to why no one wanted to look for or find any kind of explosives or accelerants that may have gotten pass security and near the WTC complex on 9/11 contributing to the deaths of thousands of people?

Vague innuendo....we're skeptics here, try harder.

 

[Brainache]

Er, the NWO are covering up their deliberate demolition of the WTC because they are afraid the port authority might have been sued again? Dumbest theory of the week?

Add to that all the thousands of people inspecting all of the rubble as it was being sorted at Fresh Kills and you really have to wonder where people like Truthbydecree get their information...

 

[Travis]

So the buildings were rigged to be demolished without the Port Authority being aware of it? Or was it common practice to smuggle in high explosives into an office building, for no apparent reason, and the explosives were set off by accident by the events of that day?

 

[T.A.M.]

For the love and honor of God and all that is holy.

TAM

 

[jhunter1163]

They're guilty of the murder of 3,000 people, and yet they're worried about lawsuits?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I would like to know what truther school teaches this concept that unless something is specifically being looked for, it can't be found. As if the people working there wouldn't notice all the tell tale signs of demolition work and material unless they were actually specifically looking for it. as if they search all the debris for possibility A, and then say "Nope, that's not it, let's go re-search everything again looking for possibility B, and then again for possibility C, etc etc" .

 

[aggle-rithm]

With the concern for the NYC economy post 9/11 and the well known stance of Republicans like Giuliani and what they feel are frivolous litigations, does anyone have any questions at all as to why no one wanted to look for or find any kind of explosives or accelerants that may have gotten pass security and near the WTC complex on 9/11 contributing to the deaths of thousands of people?

Yes. Yes I do.

Thank you for asking.

 

[moon1969]

So why don"t you go and ask Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel-Rahman. They are both in ADX Florence. There is probaly visiting hours in that prison so you can go and interview them. Go blame them and say that 1993 WTC was inside job. Oh and Terry Nichols is allso in that jail.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

so the courts dont bend to the nWo's will, thats good to know

what was the outcome of the moussaoui trial again?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

[...] does anyone have any questions at all as to why no one wanted to look for or find any kind of explosives or accelerants [...]

I believe there's a member of a Truther organization (probably Patriots Whatsitsname; someone here will know) who claims to have been responsible for searching for evidence of explosives amongst the debris at the Fresh Kills landfill.

 

[ktesibios]

I would like to know what truther school teaches this concept that unless something is specifically being looked for, it can't be found. As if the people working there wouldn't notice all the tell tale signs of demolition work and material unless they were actually specifically looking for it. as if they search all the debris for possibility A, and then say "Nope, that's not it, let's go re-search everything again looking for possibility B, and then again for possibility C, etc etc" .

IIRC, many of the people working on clearing the GZ site were from demolition contractors and would have had enough experience working the sites of known explosive demolitions to recognize the telltale signs of shaped-charge cut steel and the left-over detritus of detcord, backing material etc.

Conspiracists seem to believe that no cleanup worker could have recognized such things if they ran across them, or have had any impulse to say "Hey, come take a look at this" if they saw something they deemed weird or out of place.

Apparently, in CT-land, mere working stiffs have no powers of observation, nor any ability to comprehend what they see, nor even the simple monkey curiosity that still runs in the human species. In that world we of the working class are too stupid to do anything but follow orders blindly and not think at all about what we do or what we see.

Speaking as one of those stupid robots who work with their hands and as an "America-hating leftist", I have something to say to the paranoid conspiracy theory industry:

Stop @#$% defaming people who actually @#$% know how to do something useful, you ^%$*& load of B-ark fodder!

It would probably be worthwhile to dissect the broken reasoning behind the imputation that the lack of any actual evidence of explosive demolition means that the evidence was covered up, but every time I try to parse that proposition my brain asplodes.

 

[BenBurch]

And the AUDIO evidence? The non-existent audio evidence of any charges at all going off? Where was that "scooped and dumped" to, cobber? eh?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Apparently, in CT-land, mere working stiffs have no powers of observation, nor any ability to comprehend what they see, nor even the simple monkey curiosity that still runs in the human species. In that world we of the working class are too stupid to do anything but follow orders blindly and not think at all about what we do or what we see.

I think that's definitely one of the ingredients in the conspiracy theory recipe: the "working class" must be mindless automatons. Otherwise, the evil cabal du jour can't get away with their heinous plan and the conspiracy theorist has no one to "wake up".

 

[aggle-rithm]

Working stiff #1: Hey, this piece of metal looks like it was severed by a cutter charge.
Working stiff #2: Is that on the list of evidence we're supposed to look for?
Working stiff #1: Let me check...(scans list)
Working stiff #1: Nope. Not on list. (throws metal in bin labeled "Sell to China")
Working stiff #3: I found evidence of thermite. Is thermite on the list?
Working stiff #1: (checking list again) Nope. Throw it in the bin.
Working stiff #4: Here's some child pornography...

...and so on.

 

[eromitlab]

IIRC, many of the people working on clearing the GZ site were from demolition contractors and would have had enough experience working the sites of known explosive demolitions to recognize the telltale signs of shaped-charge cut steel and the left-over detritus of detcord, backing material etc.

Conspiracists seem to believe that no cleanup worker could have recognized such things if they ran across them, or have had any impulse to say "Hey, come take a look at this" if they saw something they deemed weird or out of place.

Apparently, in CT-land, mere working stiffs have no powers of observation, nor any ability to comprehend what they see, nor even the simple monkey curiosity that still runs in the human species. In that world we of the working class are too stupid to do anything but follow orders blindly and not think at all about what we do or what we see.

Speaking as one of those stupid robots who work with their hands and as an "America-hating leftist", I have something to say to the paranoid conspiracy theory industry:

Stop @#$% defaming people who actually @#$% know how to do something useful, you ^%$*& load of B-ark fodder!

It would probably be worthwhile to dissect the broken reasoning behind the imputation that the lack of any actual evidence of explosive demolition means that the evidence was covered up, but every time I try to parse that proposition my brain asplodes.

Well said, and accurately said. Also it would seem that if the "proles" (if they're the type to draw 1984 analogies to everything) or working-class have no ability except to do as they're told without questioning anything they might find odd or suspicious, it fits into their constant references to them as sheeple. Plus, those keenly aware and un-brainwashed truthists have constructed another device that makes them out to be unusually gifted, special and meant to be showered with praise and respect for their heroism by all the "sheeple" they "wake up" when the evil string-pulling overlords are exposed and deposed.
Naturally, they have to construct this device themselves, since they aren't unusually gifted or special in any way. Unless, that is, we count their enormous capacity for ignorance, bluster and spouting mindless drivel.

 

[Travis]

Imagine the Port Authority's surprise when they realized that Operation Watermelon Chipmunk, which they thought was a scheme to skim funds and set it up in a Cayman Bank, turned out to be the destruction of the WTC killing nearly 3000 people.

"Oh ****!" they cry, "we're liable to get sued again!"

Regaining their composure they give their orders to their minions, "instruct the cleanup teams to disregard all the det cord and explosive wiring and brainwash all the FBI guys at Fresh Kills that are sure to see it!" Pausing for a moment they continue, "oh and fabricate some fake steel trusses that look they were warped by heat in case there is ever an investigation by NIST."

 

[jberryhill]

what was the outcome of the moussaoui trial again?

He attempted several times to plead guilty, but the court repeatedly rejected his plea. Finally, the court did accept his guilty plea, and the DoJ's attempt to obtain a death sentence failed.

Why do you ask?

 

[deep]

IIRC, many of the people working on clearing the GZ site were from demolition contractors and would have had enough experience working the sites of known explosive demolitions to recognize the telltale signs of shaped-charge cut steel and the left-over detritus of detcord, backing material etc.

Conspiracists seem to believe that no cleanup worker could have recognized such things if they ran across them, or have had any impulse to say "Hey, come take a look at this" if they saw something they deemed weird or out of place.

Ahh, so the people working on clearing GZ would be qualified to detect signs of a CD, but unqualified to identify molten steel or molten iron. I see.

The truth is, there's absolutely no way of knowing what the cleanup workers found, because there's no guarantee that they would immediately go to the media to report their findings. In fact, it's possible that they were barred from speaking directly with the media, as many non-managerial (or non-PR) employees often are.

In other words, you just can't assume that their perceived silence is direct evidence of something without a full understanding of the working conditions, conditions of employment, etc. Even then, I can't imagine a scenario where silence would be enough to "prove" anything.