Why all those sad crosses by the roadside?

These crosses are very popular in California. They seem to be more than memorials; I've seen them with cautionary messages visible to drivers such as "Slow Down!".

The Highway Patrol has threatened to arrest people who erect and maintain them.
 
Elind said:
Makes me think of Scandinavian "rune" stones along travel routes. I can just see two drunken Viking colliding in the night and someone falling, tragically, on the helmet horns of the other guy....

There were no horns on the helmets!!!

Sorry, pet peeve. We now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast.
 
Safety concerns clash with roadside memorials
Some states take a hands-off approach to the memorial tradition, which is said to have American roots in the Southwest.

For more than a century, Hispanic mourners have marked the place where a funeral procession stopped to rest, according to a 1996 study by the New Mexico Oral History Project. The practice was simply reconfigured for the auto age.

"As an unwritten policy, we do not remove them," said New Mexico Department of Transportation spokesman S.U. Mahesh. "It is a sensitive issue here."

Rhetoric professor Van Hillard at Duke University in Durham, N.C., has studied commemorative practices such as roadside memorials. He said their origins are in Europe with roadside religious shrines.

More recently, they caught on after Princess Diana's death and tragedies at the World Trade Center and Oklahoma City bombing, he said.

"There's a tendency in our culture to try to ensure that people are remembered; that we don't forget," Hillard said. "There is a kind of trend to ensure memory, to retain memory; and I think they are working in that kind of vein."

The problem, Hillard said, is it seems to serve a purpose for a limited number of people, mainly the friends and families of the person who was killed.

"But for those who don't know the specifics of the accident, they also are rather mysterious," he said. "You go by and wonder, 'What happened here?' And in that way, they are unlike other public monuments and memorials that have the function of identification."

The federal government allows state transportation departments to determine rules regarding roadside memorials, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Thus, while most states have some policy regarding memorials, they vary greatly.

North Carolina is among more than a dozen states that ban the memorials, Hillard said.

Under threat of lawsuit by civil libertarians -- who say the crosses violate the constitutional division of church and state -- some states created bans. MnDOT officials said they haven't received any such threats.

Many states will provide standardized memorials or encourage family members to participate in Adopt-A-Highway programs. Some also have roadside memorial tree- and shrub-planting programs. North Carolina and Ontario name bridges after fallen police officers.

Texas, California and Montana only allow roadside memorials if alcohol was a factor in the crash. However, the families often must cover the cost of a permanent sign that includes an anti-drinking-and-driving message.

Wisconsin, New Jersey and some other states let families put up memorials for a limited time but not on freeways or interstates.

"We do essentially allow them for about a year," said John Kinar of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation.

Wisconsin transportation officials established guidelines called "Memorials on the Highway: Remembering a Loved One" after a 50-vehicle pileup that killed 10 in Sheboygan County in 2003.

Like New Mexico, many states only remove the memorials if they clearly present a safety hazard.

West Virginia allows grieving families to place temporary and permanent memorials. The 3-year-old system titled "We Respect Your Feelings" requires notification of the State Highway Department or obtaining a permit for a permanent marker.

"This is not West Virginia, thank gosh," Bray said. "Minnesota is a bit more ahead of the game. West Virginia can do as they wish. But for us, it is a safety issue pure and simple."
Good to see it's not only us Ohioans who like to dis West Virginia. :D
 
For more than a century, Hispanic mourners have marked the place where a funeral procession stopped to rest, according to a 1996 study by the New Mexico Oral History Project. The practice was simply reconfigured for the auto age.

This is also where Charing Cross gets it's name from; Edward I raising crosses everywhere his wife's body rested on it's way to Westminster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_cross
 
Why crosses, but no Stars of David?
Or Islamic Cresents?

I've always wondered.
 
Elind said:
I have a question. I'm sure we have all seen those white crosses with plastic flowers along the roadside, where presumably someone died in an accident. No doubt they have meaning to someone, but I am curious about WHO it is that places these and what tradition it is. I have seen them in South America also, so I'm guessing it's a latin/catholic tradition, but I'm not sure.

I also find it "logically" odd in that the place to grieve would seem to be at the grave, not where an accident happened which would just bring back unpleasant thoughts.

So, does anyone know how or where this tradition orginates, and what culture it is that places them?

People do that around here routinely to mark the spot where their loved ones have died in a car wreck. It doesn't seem inappropriate to me. You will remember the spot every time you drive by any way. No harm in attempting to bestow a little grace and personal sanctity on the spot.
 
Re: Re: Why all those sad crosses by the roadside?

billydkid said:
People do that around here routinely to mark the spot where their loved ones have died in a car wreck. It doesn't seem inappropriate to me. You will remember the spot every time you drive by any way. No harm in attempting to bestow a little grace and personal sanctity on the spot.

I think I understand it, but personally I would not think it appropriate to try to involve all other strangers in my grief any more than I would do so in front of a hospital or any other place where someone died.
 
clarsct said:
Why crosses, but no Stars of David?
Or Islamic Cresents?

I've always wondered.

I think this is one of the most significant unanswered questions of this thread. Why does Christianity seem to have a monopoly on roadside shrines?
 
arthwollipot said:
I think this is one of the most significant unanswered questions of this thread. Why does Christianity seem to have a monopoly on roadside shrines?

Is that not just because (of the countries that people can talk about with some knowledge) the large majority are Christians – or at least have Christianity as their cultural background?
 
Darat said:
Is that not just because (of the countries that people can talk about with some knowledge) the large majority are Christians – or at least have Christianity as their cultural background?

While I have seen some that are not crosses, I do think that it is Christians that have the strongest tradition of object symbols. Muslims do not and to a large extent any kind of object or image worship is taboo. I think that Jews also do not have a symbol tradition comparable to the cross.

For all I know, however, some of the non cross markers could be non Christians.
 
Elind said:
While I have seen some that are not crosses, I do think that it is Christians that have the strongest tradition of object symbols. Muslims do not and to a large extent any kind of object or image worship is taboo. I think that Jews also do not have a symbol tradition comparable to the cross.

For all I know, however, some of the non cross markers could be non Christians.

This shouldn't be the case in America though, because you would assume it would follow more closely the Protestant sense of iconoclasm... and yet, as has been noted, this kind of religious display is acceptable.

Does anyone have any evidence as to how such deaths are remembered in Islamic/Hindu/Orthodoz/Jewish countries? Is it genuinely something not done in those faiths overall, or could there be other reasons for why we don't see it?

Could it just be that the US, due to a combination of religious zeal and consumerism, is willing to wave it's faith around (It's "Manifest Destiny"), and as a consequence has led to the suppression of other religious symbols and display (It doesn't take much imagination to see what would likely happen to an Islamic Crescent in America post 9/11)... or is that also too simplistic?

Short of finding a genuinely in depth Socialogical research book into this particular phenomena, I suspect we aren't actually going to be able to give a definative answer, merely our own cultural assumptions.
 
P.S.A. said:

Could it just be that the US, due to a combination of religious zeal and consumerism, is willing to wave it's faith around (It's "Manifest Destiny"), and as a consequence has led to the suppression of other religious symbols and display (It doesn't take much imagination to see what would likely happen to an Islamic Crescent in America post 9/11)... or is that also too simplistic?


Yes I think it's all too simplistic and biased. We have heard that this is hardly an American phenomenon, and Muslims do not use the "crescent" as a symbol the way Christians use the cross, in any situations. Ask an America evaneglist and it's Christian displays that are conspired against, not other religions.
 
On the Mt. Loop Highway, outside of Granite Falls WA, there is a great big slab of wood (probably cedar, taller than me) on the side of the road that marks where a young girl died in a crash. I can't remember the, particulars of the incident, but it has been there long enough (at least fifteen years), to become a landmark and is routinely used in directions. No religious stuff, just her name and the date of her death, carved into the wood. She was in my age group, and whenever I go up there and pass her marker, I think of her.
 
brachet said:
On the Mt. Loop Highway, outside of Granite Falls WA, there is a great big slab of wood (probably cedar, taller than me) on the side of the road that marks where a young girl died in a crash. I can't remember the, particulars of the incident, but it has been there long enough (at least fifteen years), to become a landmark and is routinely used in directions. No religious stuff, just her name and the date of her death, carved into the wood. She was in my age group, and whenever I go up there and pass her marker, I think of her.

I guess I wouldn't mind that for me either, in an isolated setting. However I still have trouble thinking of generations of these along every road I travelled.

I think most people do know that accidents happen, and there could be a case made for placing cautionary markets, in a structured manner, to remind drivers to take care; but on balance I don't think that a focus on death, particularly an imposed focus, is welcome by most or is even a healthy attitude towards the risks that we should all know exists.

Tougher driving education and violation penalty laws would be more effective in terms of reducing accidents.

If I want to mourn the dead I can always meditate over the obituaries when I choose to do so, not when it distracts me from driving.
 
The speed limit on that road is low enough, and the letters big enough, that it doesn't present a significant hazard. The road is only two lanes, and there isn't any cross-traffic (oooh, pardon the pun) to worry about. But I understand your point. There hasn't been another accident there since, that I know of. And in those parts, that'd be some gossip...
 
P.S.A. said:
This shouldn't be the case in America though, because you would assume it would follow more closely the Protestant sense of iconoclasm... and yet, as has been noted, this kind of religious display is acceptable.

Does anyone have any evidence as to how such deaths are remembered in Islamic/Hindu/Orthodoz/Jewish countries? Is it genuinely something not done in those faiths overall, or could there be other reasons for why we don't see it?

Could it just be that the US, due to a combination of religious zeal and consumerism, is willing to wave it's faith around (It's "Manifest Destiny"), and as a consequence has led to the suppression of other religious symbols and display (It doesn't take much imagination to see what would likely happen to an Islamic Crescent in America post 9/11)... or is that also too simplistic?

Short of finding a genuinely in depth Socialogical research book into this particular phenomena, I suspect we aren't actually going to be able to give a definative answer, merely our own cultural assumptions.

Hmmm...Maybe. Although I do think the Star of David applies to the Jewish community. Maybe the Jews just have a better sense of dignity. I always wondered if the amount of dead christians on the roadside had something to do with the idea that maybe, just maybe, they weren't God's chosen......
Then again, maybe Darat had the right idea, as well..population figures count.
 

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